Carlton Supporters Club

The solution to last Thursday was Saturday night. Keep running forward, keep moving forward,  don't go in your shell when you make mistakes, trust your team mates will keep having a go, and try and kick and handball the ball to your team mates, and finally,  don't give up.

Quote from: Blue Moon – on June 30, 2025, 09:50:09 am

The solution to last Thursday was Saturday night. Keep running forward, keep moving forward,  don't go in your shell when you make mistakes, trust your team mates will keep having a go, and try and kick and handball the ball to your team mates, and finally,  don't give up.

Send them a note.

Do you genuinely think the AFL team aren't trying to do this?

I don't know.

I saw blokes who clearly aren't up to it.

Quote from: Blue Moon – on June 30, 2025, 09:55:00 am

I don't know.

The club does.

Do you really think our MC put blokes out there who aren't trying, the MC's job depends on them.

I think it's easy to confuse a perceived difference in tactic with an inability to implement a tactic. Structurally I can't see any real difference between the AFL and VFL game tactics from last weekend, but the tactics are significantly easier to implement against Port Melbourne in the VFL than they are against even a weaker AFL opponent. We can do it in the AFL, but not for 4-qtrs.

Anyone watching Evans and Durdin struggle in the AFL should be acutely aware of that.

Could Cowan and Carroll do in the AFL what they did in the VFL for 4-qtrs, possibly, but most likely only partially, certainly it would be to a lesser extent. Without Cowan and Carroll breaking lines and hitting those targets forward of the contest, Evans, Durdin and Camporeale would find themselves in heavy traffic and the outcome would be very different, they would lose effectiveness. That surely seems familiar.

If it was as easy as moving into the AFL and repeating the VFL procedure everybody would be doing it!

Quote from: LP – on June 30, 2025, 09:47:57 am

I think it's easy to confuse a perceived difference in tactic with an inability to implement a tactic. Structurally I can't see any real difference between the AFL and VFL game tactics from last weekend, but the tactics are significantly easier to implement against Port Melbourne in the VFL than they are against even a weaker AFL opponent. We can do it in the AFL, but not for 4-qtrs.

Anyone watching Evans and Durdin struggle in the AFL should be acutely aware of that.

Could Cowan and Carroll do in the AFL what they did in the VFL for 4-qtrs, possibly, but most likely only partially, certainly it would be to a lesser extent. Without Cowan and Carroll breaking lines and hitting those targets forward of the contest, Evans, Durdin and Camporeale would find themselves in heavy traffic and the outcome would be very different, they would lose effectiveness. That surely seems familiar.

If it was as easy as moving into the AFL and repeating the VFL procedure everybody would be doing it!

Spot on LP!

Our AFL and VFL teams play the same gamestyle ... or attempt to play the same gamestyle.  Depending on the opposition, the VFL team often executes it quite well, as does the AFL team in patches, because it's much harder to execute against quality AFL teams.

If Cowan and/or Carroll get promoted to the AFL, they'll be flat out trying to negate their opponent and supporting their teammates.  They may get the odd opportunity to break the lines and it may come back to bite them on the butt if there's a poor delivery or a fumble in our forward 50.

Quote from: DJC – on July 03, 2025, 01:28:08 pm

Spot on LP!

Our AFL and VFL teams play the same gamestyle ... or attempt to play the same gamestyle.  Depending on the opposition, the VFL team often executes it quite well, as does the AFL team in patches, because it's much harder to execute against quality AFL teams.

If Cowan and/or Carroll get promoted to the AFL, they'll be flat out trying to negate their opponent and supporting their teammates.  They may get the odd opportunity to break the lines and it may come back to bite them on the butt if there's a poor delivery or a fumble in our forward 50.

Thats all good in a perfect world.

Try telling Pittonet to play like TDK.

Try telling Lemmey to play like Charlie.

Try telling Ben Camporeale to play like Cripps.

Good luck

We've seen a roll out of a change in tactics, and it's fine, but it's new and we haven't seen it capably implemented yet at AFL level, we are doing it in bursts and as we go we are learning about opposition countertactics.

For a long time we bemoaned the apparent absence of a Plan B, now we have it some fans want it thrown out because we aren't getting an instant result, but it's new and fans need to be patient.

I'm not nearly as upset about the tactics and coaching as I am about the poor implementation, because where it falls down are in the execution of basic skills.

We only need one or two quick players, or one or two quality bilateral players, and time and space opens up for everybody and you'll see the basic errors diminish. This is what the likes of Daicos, Pendelbury and Sidebottom bring to the Filth.

In the past, our slower endurance and strength based list missed a massive trick, they all should have been incessantly training their offside and the lack of leg speed would be a non-issue, like it's a non-issue for Sidebottom and Pendlebury. If our list had developed 80% of Diesel's handball skills and the same percentage of Scotland's kicking they be laughing, but it's too late as 28 year olds!

The idea that someone like Saad can make it through a whole AFL career and still be effectively a unilateral ball user is a condemnation on our club and the AFL system in general. It's a fundamental high level skill that is almost completely absent in our list.

Quote from: LP – on July 03, 2025, 05:32:32 pm

We've seen a roll out of a change in tactics, and it's fine, but it's new and we haven't seen it capably implemented yet at AFL level, we are doing it in bursts and as we go we are learning about opposition countertactics.

For a long time we bemoaned the apparent absence of a Plan B, now we have it some fans want it thrown out because we aren't getting an instant result, but it's new and fans need to be patient.

I'm not nearly as upset about the tactics and coaching as I am about the poor implementation, because where it falls down are in the execution of basic skills.

We only need one or two quick players, or one or two quality bilateral players, and time and space opens up for everybody and you'll see the basic errors diminish. This is what the likes of Daicos, Pendelbury and Sidebottom bring to the Filth.

In the past, our slower endurance and strength based list missed a massive trick, they all should have been incessantly training their offside and the lack of leg speed would be a non-issue, like it's a non-issue for Sidebottom and Pendlebury. If our list had developed 80% of Diesel's handball skills and the same percentage of Scotland's kicking they be laughing, but it's too late as 28 year olds!

The idea that someone like Saad can make it through a whole AFL career and still be effectively a unilateral ball user is a condemnation on our club and the AFL system in general. It's a fundamental high level skill that is almost completely absent in our list.

Im not seeing any plan B, just the same old rolling stoppage play, chip it around sideways, backwards then the bombed kick forward or glory pass that gets picked off. Its still that Soviet era stuff that lacks dare, run and any method of longer connection that leaves our forwards manned up and contesting vs multiple players and then when they do get the ball its a 50/50 on the accuracy for goal but thats another story.

Quote from: LP – on July 03, 2025, 05:32:32 pm

We've seen a roll out of a change in tactics, and it's fine, but it's new and we haven't seen it capably implemented yet at AFL level, we are doing it in bursts and as we go we are learning about opposition countertactics.

For a long time we bemoaned the apparent absence of a Plan B, now we have it some fans want it thrown out because we aren't getting an instant result, but it's new and fans need to be patient.

I'm not nearly as upset about the tactics and coaching as I am about the poor implementation, because where it falls down are in the execution of basic skills.

We only need one or two quick players, or one or two quality bilateral players, and time and space opens up for everybody and you'll see the basic errors diminish. This is what the likes of Daicos, Pendelbury and Sidebottom bring to the Filth.

In the past, our slower endurance and strength based list missed a massive trick, they all should have been incessantly training their offside and the lack of leg speed would be a non-issue, like it's a non-issue for Sidebottom and Pendlebury. If our list had developed 80% of Diesel's handball skills and the same percentage of Scotland's kicking they be laughing, but it's too late as 28 year olds!

The idea that someone like Saad can make it through a whole AFL career and still be effectively a unilateral ball user is a condemnation on our club and the AFL system in general. It's a fundamental high level skill that is almost completely absent in our list.

Im not seeing any plan B, just the same old rolling stoppage play, chip it around sideways, backwards then the bombed kick forward or glory pass that gets picked off. Its still that Soviet era stuff that lacks dare, run and any method of longer connection that leaves our forwards manned up and contesting vs multiple players and then when they do get the ball its a 50/50 on the accuracy for goal but thats another story.