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Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Same Iaj.
I don't want to sack another coach but I don't see how Voss can survive.
And we have zero draft picks and the tigers expect to steal Cody.
We're looking at another 15 of crap.

Cody Walker isnt going in this years draft, its next years draft.

There is a lot of hyperbolic stuff going around, and partly because we have traded picks, but at least 24 players in this draft are going to next gen academies, and we have had that many draft picks, we already know, that draft picks arent the answer. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #46 –
Interestingly from Nick Haynes - not just the usual it’s on us but a step further to say vfl time…. Maybe he’s a leader…?

The veteran defender believes it’s up to the players – himself included – to execute Voss’ gameplan better and for longer. And if they can’t, then a stint in the VFL might help ram the message home.
 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #47 –
We chose this path.
We removed senior players and brought in kids, keep in mind Voss wanted Dan Houston.
How were we going to be stronger in 2025 than we were in 2024?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #48 –
I didn’t see much of the game, but Wilson didn’t look out of place. (He did turn the ball over by expecting Motlop to outmark someone!)
I hope they persevere with Billy

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Interestingly from Nick Haynes - not just the usual it’s on us but a step further to say vfl time…. Maybe he’s a leader…?

The veteran defender believes it’s up to the players – himself included – to execute Voss’ gameplan better and for longer. And if they can’t, then a stint in the VFL might help ram the message home.

He's been a good pick up IMO, and dirt cheap too I would imagine.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #50 –
I know Walker is not available until next year, but the Tigers are boasting they'll pinch him.

I've developed a bit of time for Haynes.  Early season form was abhorrent but has had the strength of character to work through it and become a reliable player.  And having the gumption to be demonstrative last night when so many senior players just let the bus career out of control is a tick.
We've got so many "senior" players giving so little right now, they should be embarassed. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #51 –
Its's been happening all year and not just this year with zero improvement - the complete collapse is nothing short on remarkable - heart, desire, system.. it's just not there.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #52 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We chose this path.
We removed senior players and brought in kids, keep in mind Voss wanted Dan Houston.
How were we going to be stronger in 2025 than we were in 2024?

The Brownlow Medallist would have continued on in his usual dominant fashion in partnership with Walsh
Charlie Curnow's injuries would have been behind him.
We'd have made some changes with positions, with JSOS back and Kemp forward,
McKay and Curnow would have had a full season together to trouble other sides.
The number three draft pick would have been getting exposure.
Our younger players like Hollands and his brother would have been a year older.
Newman would be his usual dependable self in the backline.
And the injury woes of 2024 would be a fading memory.
Sometimes crap happens and things don't go to plan.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #53 –
What injury did Billy get?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #54 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We chose this path.
We removed senior players and brought in kids, keep in mind Voss wanted Dan Houston.
How were we going to be stronger in 2025 than we were in 2024?
We have sown the seeds of what we see today, when we embarked on SOS strategy.

The second we got impatient and deviated, we started reacting to the current situation with minimal foresight.  The move of Bolton to David Teague lacked any critical thinking, and the butterfly effect of all these decisions have been quite impactful.

You look at Collingwood.  2 premiership players from 2010 still play for them.  The team that they used in 2018 that lost the grand final had a fair chunk from the previous premiership team, and at least 6 of those 2018 runners up became premiers in 2023, along with another or 7 players who were on the list but didn't play in the 2018 grand final.

Docherty and Cripps are the only players on our list that played for Malthouse in 2015.  Hell, of our 2018 list (2 years into SOS rebuild) we only have the following still playing for us:

JSOS, Cripps, Mckay, TDK, Docherty, Weitering, Curnow.  

A total of 7 players remain less than 8 years later.

https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2018/collingwood

https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2018/carlton

Why are they better?  Here are the players that are on the list in 2023 when they win the flag, that were there in 2018.

De Goey
Elliott
Pendlebury
Adams
Sidebottom
Crisp
Murphy
Moore
Hoskin-Elliott
Maynard
Howe
Mihocek
Cox

13 players vs our 7!!! 

Almost a full starting 18 remain on their list.  Why is their team so much better?

Oh, they have only had 3 senior coaches to go with the above for the 26 years (could be longer, I know Malthouse was there in 99, and I know they only moved to Buckley and then Mccrae).

Do we still want to turn over yet another 25% of the list, and do we still want to sack our 3 coach in 7 years?

https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2023/collingwood
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #55 –
This is smelling of Rattens demise and I’m not on board for it. I thought at the time getting rid of Ratten was the wrong move and we know what happened after that.

I just watched the first quarter and we did try but then the system broke down and we obviously shat ourselves. I am banging on about Doch and I hate myself for it but he turned it over twice in the first for scores to them - he also was ineffective and slow when we had a chain of ball movement going, which turned it over. Saad as well turned it over and was ineffective - 3-4 of their goals in the first were the result of that! Unfortunately we’ve not developed anyone to come thru after them or they’re injured too.

Agree re Billy he looked pretty good yes some judgment errors but for first quarter game 1 I thought he did well. 

We were also unlucky In our misses in the first - had they all gone thru it’d be a different convo.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #56 –
The media campaigned for Ratten, Malthouse, Bolton and Teague to be sacked then after we obliged they canned us for treating them poorly.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #57 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The media campaigned for Ratten, Malthouse, Bolton and Teague to be sacked then after we obliged they canned us for treating them poorly.
Agree Altho MM was absolutely never the right person for us!

They’re even wheeling our bloody Lance Franklin to give his opinion - and unsurprisingly he’s saying the same thing as the rest of the blowhards.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
This is smelling of Rattens demise and I’m not on board for it. I thought at the time getting rid of Ratten was the wrong move and we know what happened after that.

The club has a bit of a problem here.

While there are many calling for the coach's head there is also considerable support for keeping him and changing personnel all around him (players and coaches)

Pull the wrong plug and they might be surprised at the backlash.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #59 –
Everyone outside the club want us to sack him, because they know it will short circuit us and ensure another 5 years of another team not being competitive. 

This is their art of war.  Tear down your enemy at all costs.  They know we made a prelim a couple of years back, and notice how the guys they reckon we should trade for draft capital arent playing now, and we are getting hammered?  Walsh and Mackay.  Is it REALLY worth trading two players in their prime for youngsters in a compromised draft this year?  we shouldnt be trading anyone around the 27 year age bracket.  Look at Kennedy.  We put 7 years into him, just to trade him the second he started playing consistent footy at age 28. 

What the hell was Austin thinking meanwhile trading both our first and second rounder this year?  I understand gambling on the Hawks not backing up thinking that their rise might have been premature, but we've somehow decided that trading second rounders and ending up with Brisbanes was worthwhile after they played in back to back grand finals.

Thing is I cant even hope they fall off a cliff, because we need them to stop Collingwood thanks to Sydney being poo this season.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson