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@shawny

I think the drop off is temporary and a product of a list that isnt in good condition. 

You seem to think its at optimum capacity to perform and not performing to that potential. 

There is the variance, its not about condeding or arguing who is right or wrong, but saying it was at full strength is a massive stretch.  Cripps alone is playing within 50% of his top form of last season.  Is he rubbish now?  Or is he simply having an off year?

Quote from: shawny – on June 27, 2025, 10:41:01 am

The thing is EB our list should be at the point where we are putting finishes touches to it and so a proven finals coach like Longmire along with his own selected line coaches/assistants would IMO be the best way to give this current group any chance of success.

Think an untried coach is an option if its determined this list is shot and need to start a new fresh build.

Personally the list and in particular many of our 'best' players are overrated and as Buckley said the level of performance from our A graders drops off way too much when having an average day and this is just how it is hence why i rate them not as A graders and overrated (reckon we only have 2 real A graders in Cripps and Weitering and thats it).

And as we are not exactly blessed with under 25 talent, either new coach option is still going to be tricky and based on our previous records with this stuff its hard to be positive anymore about anything our once great club does.  Having said that one option has to occur as 4 years is enough with this group to confirm Voss is not the man and should never have been appointed over Kingsley. 

Quote from: shawny – on June 27, 2025, 10:41:01 am

The thing is EB our list should be at the point where we are putting finishes touches to it and so a proven finals coach like Longmire along with his own selected line coaches/assistants would IMO be the best way to give this current group any chance of success.

Think an untried coach is an option if its determined this list is shot and need to start a new fresh build.

Personally the list and in particular many of our 'best' players are overrated and as Buckley said the level of performance from our A graders drops off way too much when having an average day and this is just how it is hence why i rate them not as A graders and overrated (reckon we only have 2 real A graders in Cripps and Weitering and thats it).

And as we are not exactly blessed with under 25 talent, either new coach option is still going to be tricky and based on our previous records with this stuff its hard to be positive anymore about anything our once great club does.  Having said that one option has to occur as 4 years is enough with this group to confirm Voss is not the man and should never have been appointed over Kingsley. 

  The list is over hyped, it's slow, full of poor kicking players and reliant on too few having to play blinders every game for us to win. A disinterested TDK and a sick Cripps meant we were doomed last night...the gap between our best players and the rest is like the Grand Canyon.
Players like Cerra who are meant to be bridging that gap don't....

We were never going to win, not sure what the hysteria is about.

This was on the cards

Of our leadership group.   Cripps has been out of form since he landed on his back in R3.   Weiters has been struggling for weeks.  Injured the last 2.   Curnow is a combo of injury and lack of form.   Walsh is a shadow of his former self and hasn't been able to gain fitness after an interrupted pre-season.   That's your best four players at well below capacity.

The chicken came home to roost last night.

The media campaigned for Ratten, Malthouse, Bolton and Teague to be sacked then after we obliged they canned us for treating them poorly.

So it's Pat Kinnersley fault.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on June 27, 2025, 11:12:59 am

  The list is over hyped, it's slow, full of poor kicking players and reliant on too few having to play blinders every game for us to win. A disinterested TDK and a sick Cripps meant we were doomed last night...the gap between our best players and the rest is like the Grand Canyon.
Players like Cerra who are meant to be bridging that gap don't....

Yes agree EB.

And mentally they are not up to it. The minute pressure comes on any level they melt.

Its the same reason we manage to score when the game is done. 

I posted it a week or 2 ago, but it warrants repeating.

Cripps is having an absolutely terrible year. He (or the club) is too stubborn to put him on the sidelines to recover.
Possession wise, its his worst year apart from the shortened covid/quarantine year, and his debut year when he played 3 games.

Last night was a perfect example of our issues. He was too sick that he had to be quarantined from the playing list....but was good enough to play the most physically demanding game in the world. Yeah, nah.

.....and you could make a case for about 5 others, all top end talent, that fall into that category.

Now, i understand the want to play these guys. However, you simply need to look at the result in the last 2 weeks to realise that there is no benefit to doing so. Only downsides.

Rest Cripps, rest Charlie, rest Weiters, rest Saad, rest Acres......
What is going to happen? We end up losing by 50 points? Well that is happening anyway. At least we have a reason - we played a bunch of kids.
Last night, we played our oldest side for 81 years!
Let that sink in.
No Carlton team that has run out in the last 81 years and been as old as that mob last night.

What did we get from it? A bunch of old, unfit, sick, injured blokes putting in half-ar$ed efforts.
Play the kids.
I don't expect them to do much better, but at least there is a double benefit to doing so. You rest the blokes who need to recover and you give some kids a shot at the big time who may actually suprise.

For this week...
Lemmey - Curnow
HOF - Weiters
Lucas - Acres
Ben - Cripps
Carroll - Saad

I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past. 

I don't know why folks are still banging on about the 'Old Carlton' way of sacking coaches. The club hasn't sacked Vossy, and don't look like doing it any time soon. We have not seen a knee jerk reaction. So we can put away that gripe, it's the past.