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Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #45 –
Quote from: laj – on
From a Facebook poster who went to training.

"I'm hearing Cowan, Moir and Evans will get a call up this week. Training session lacked any hunger and the skill execution was horrendous.  Same same".

In the days I used to go to  training, was in the Social Club then, 1981-82, training was always a good indicator of the next weeks performance. Needless to say it was usually pretty sharp but when it stunk the next week's game often stunk.
If that's the case the players have checked out and they've learnt or listened to nothing.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #46 –
So this week  no Silvagni, Saad, Walsh and McKay.
That's some decent quality out of the side.
Replacements for Saad and JSOS will be interesting. 
I favour youth over experience that hasn't performed.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #47 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Rubbish.

SoS and Saad out, probably Billy as well. 
Likely ins Cowan and OFarrell.  After that, Fog is probably looking at the twos as well.
Could well be.

Must admit that poster did nail  it the last time he said it. Doesn't mean he will this time thought. might have be a coincidence last time.

Anyway, the lack of any hunger at training is more an issue.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: laj – on
From a Facebook poster who went to training.

"I'm hearing Cowan, Moir and Evans will get a call up this week. Training session lacked any hunger and the skill execution was horrendous.  Same same".

In the days I used to go to  training, was in the Social Club then, 1981-82, training was always a good indicator of the next weeks performance. Needless to say it was usually pretty sharp but when it stunk the next week's game often stunk.
If that's the case the players have checked out and they've learnt or listened to nothing.
I'm thinking that.

Remember going to a session in 1983, in the midst of our premiership hangover. We had lost the previous 2 games by 111 and 33 points and this night training stunk to such an extent that Parko just quit the session and yelled at them to get off the ground. We took an almighty hiding the next week. Week  after we dropped 6 or 7 really big names for young, inexperienced players and won by nearly 100pts.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #49 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
Rubbish.

SoS and Saad out, probably Billy as well. 
Likely ins Cowan and OFarrell.  After that, Fog is probably looking at the twos as well.
Could well be.

Must admit that poster did nail  it the last time he said it. Doesn't mean he will this time thought. might have be a coincidence last time.

Anyway, the lack of any hunger at training is more an issue.

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #50 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: laj – on
Could well be.

Must admit that poster did nail  it the last time he said it. Doesn't mean he will this time thought. might have be a coincidence last time.

Anyway, the lack of any hunger at training is more an issue.

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

I know i'm not the only one, but i've been calling for Lemmey for weeks now for the above reason and to spare the injured players we currently have. Not many who haven't been given a crack yet, but he is one.

We have played 39 players this year.

Only players not to play....
Newman - out for year
Smith - out for year
Monaghan - irish rookie
Duffy - irish rookie
Ben Camporeale - should play this week
Lemmey - should play this week
Charleson - showed something in the VFL this week

For the record, only the bombers have used more players than us, 1 more, with 40.
1 other team has used 37
a few other teams have used 36.

Ladder position - team - players used
1st - pies 33
2nd - Lions 33
3rd - Crows 31
4th - Cats 30
...
8th - Suns 32
......
16th - Kangaroos - 33

The rest of the 8, 12th, 14th and last have used 34 players.....everyone else is more.

Shows a very distinct correlation of injuries/players used and ladder position.
Hard for us to make it near the pointy end when year on year, we have to use more players than just about everyone else.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #51 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

I know i'm not the only one, but i've been calling for Lemmey for weeks now for the above reason and to spare the injured players we currently have. Not many who haven't been given a crack yet, but he is one.

We have played 39 players this year.

Only players not to play....
Newman - out for year
Smith - out for year
Monaghan - irish rookie
Duffy - irish rookie
Ben Camporeale - should play this week
Lemmey - should play this week
Charleson - showed something in the VFL this week

For the record, only the bombers have used more players than us, 1 more, with 40.
1 other team has used 37
a few other teams have used 36.

Ladder position - team - players used
1st - pies 33
2nd - Lions 33
3rd - Crows 31
4th - Cats 30
...
8th - Suns 32
......
16th - Kangaroos - 33

The rest of the 8, 12th, 14th and last have used 34 players.....everyone else is more.

Shows a very distinct correlation of injuries/players used and ladder position.
Hard for us to make it near the pointy end when year on year, we have to use more players than just about everyone else.

agree.  the other part of the players used, Collingwood rotation policy isnt like ours where pendlebury doesnt play away.  We've had to bring in a player to replace am injury most weeks, and the ones that come back usually go out again.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #52 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: laj – on
Could well be.

Must admit that poster did nail  it the last time he said it. Doesn't mean he will this time thought. might have be a coincidence last time.

Anyway, the lack of any hunger at training is more an issue.

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.
My best mate always says "hungry dogs hunt best".
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #53 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Play the kids who will be hungry, result doesnt matter, lets find some players for 2026 and beyond.
Voss might enjoy the last 8 weeks if we give him some players who want to learn and give effort for 4 quarters, he owes Binns a game too after singling him out.

I know i'm not the only one, but i've been calling for Lemmey for weeks now for the above reason and to spare the injured players we currently have. Not many who haven't been given a crack yet, but he is one.

We have played 39 players this year.

Only players not to play....
Newman - out for year
Smith - out for year
Monaghan - irish rookie
Duffy - irish rookie
Ben Camporeale - should play this week
Lemmey - should play this week
Charleson - showed something in the VFL this week

For the record, only the bombers have used more players than us, 1 more, with 40.
1 other team has used 37
a few other teams have used 36.

Ladder position - team - players used
1st - pies 33
2nd - Lions 33
3rd - Crows 31
4th - Cats 30
...
8th - Suns 32
......
16th - Kangaroos - 33

The rest of the 8, 12th, 14th and last have used 34 players.....everyone else is more.

Shows a very distinct correlation of injuries/players used and ladder position.
Hard for us to make it near the pointy end when year on year, we have to use more players than just about everyone else.

Fair comments, Id be playing Harry O with Jack out this week and also picking Lemmey to help Charlie down forward.
Pies have taken the foot of the gas given they have some breathing space at the top of the ladder and are playing rookie player Roan Steele and appear likely to rest nemesis players Sidebottom(illness) and Bobby Hill(personal reasons) which should really help us.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #54 –
Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #55 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.

There was a 'ladder' of fastest ball movement for the year. I think it was before the Port game.
We were 5th or 6th on the list for the year.

The 'slow' ball movement is a myth.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #57 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.
To my eye, we have always been poorly skilled/poor decision makers by comparison to top teams for several years. Whether it be in front of goal, clos ing out games, being master of the no look hack kick out of defence, ability to close out games, stop scoring runs etc. The game in 2025 demands players use the ball very well (I wont say elite but..) compared to 2024 and 2023. To my novice eye, 2023 and 2025 are poles apart with respect to game speed and ball movement. The list managers who picked this trend are thriving, those who didn't...
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: laj – on
2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.
To my eye, we have always been poorly skilled/poor decision makers by comparison to top teams for several years. Whether it be in front of goal, clos ing out games, being master of the no look hack kick out of defence, ability to close out games, stop scoring runs etc. The game in 2025 demands players use the ball very well (I wont say elite but..) compared to 2024 and 2023. To my novice eye, 2023 and 2025 are poles apart with respect to game speed and ball movement. The list managers who picked this trend are thriving, those who didn't...
The thing is, when we were moving it into the 50 very quickly in 2023, space there meant disposal deficiencies weren't such an issue. Forwards has space to run on to the ball. Kicking into more crowded situations requires more pinpoint disposal. Then we get found out big time.

Plus, there was huge hunger in the 2nd half of 2023 which put huge pressure on opposition sides to get the ball back if the disposal was wayward. With hunger and commitment, you get away with alot. If we were more committed early in 2023 instead of being 4-9, we'd have won the flag. We cooked ourselves come PF day having to drag ourselves up from the pits.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #59 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Anyone catch Daniel Hoyne on SEN?  Talking about teams one at a time, started with Carlton and he said that our ball movement versus Port Adelaide was the fourth fastest this year by any team.
Carlton went from long, down the line, tram track football pre the bye to change of angles, speed on ball after it. It was plain for all to see that the players didn’t have the skills to execute. So the coaches tried changing things, the players couldn't execute. Suggested we may well go back to old faithful v Coll.
2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.

Not the same players. The team is vastly different.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!