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Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #60 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: laj – on
2023 the same players used to execute. Has to be alot to do with attitude.

Not the same players. The team is vastly different.
Bulk of are very similar. Most of what we lost we got rid of because they were injured too much.

3 players from the 2023 PF side. Marchbank, Martin,, Kennedy and Martin, as well as Owies.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #61 –
McKay, Walsh, Fisher, Dow, Cunningham, Plowman.

We had more depth.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #62 –
Cottrell.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #63 –
Newman and Kemp.

Like I said we are missing plenty from that season.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #64 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Newman and Kemp.

Like I said we are missing plenty from that season.
Martin when he got on the park
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #65 –
I'm not saying we should have kept those players but we didn't replace them. We went for youth and that means we have to go backwards to go forwards.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #66 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I'm not saying we should have kept those players but we didn't replace them. We went for youth and that means we have to go backwards to go forwards.
Agree, but I'm thinking the non chasing Houston was an error as he would have had an instant impact for us.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I'm not saying we should have kept those players but we didn't replace them. We went for youth and that means we have to go backwards to go forwards.
Agree, but I'm thinking the non chasing Houston was an error as he would have had an instant impact for us.
If we chased Houston, we'd be losing more than just TDK this season as he wanted plenty in terms of $'s.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #68 –
Id argue Voss was hired to win a premiership and not build a list and that adding established players to fill holes on your list was what most clubs would do when in the premiership window.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #69 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Id argue Voss was hired to win a premiership and not build a list and that adding established players to fill holes on your list was what most clubs would do when in the premiership window.

110% - i just wrote similar on another topic.

We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans! 

And then we wonder why we went backwards.

Houston was exactly the sort of player we needed and word is he wanted to come to us. A reliable user of the ball. I bet he is grateful we said no as he may have a medal around his neck come years end instead of going on Mad Monday after the H and A season.

 


 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #70 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Id argue Voss was hired to win a premiership and not build a list and that adding established players to fill holes on your list was what most clubs would do when in the premiership window.
Agree with the principal, but my view is that we thought we were in a premiership window but were in reality not.
I know we got to a prelim final in 2023, however the list has been overrated - this result was an anomaly.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #71 –
Quote from: shawny – on
We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans! 

And then we wonder why we went backwards.

Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season.
Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.

Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.

The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #72 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: shawny – on
We went to the draft last year after losing a few seasoned footballers and then replaced them with the likes of Evans! 

And then we wonder why we went backwards.

Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season.
Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.

Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.

The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.

while i agree the LM decisions are bewildering imo Voss is still not the man. he is controlling a team that was supposed to be playing deep into sept yet lost to cellar dwellers in Richmond, North and pumped by Port.

Cant blame the LM for that.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #73 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Some of us were VERY pissed off with the list direction in the off-season flagging that had not improved our list in the off-season.
Some of us were VERY strongly aiming the cross-hairs on Lloyd and the recruiting department for taking this direction.

Voss is coping all the flack, when he was essentially set up to fail by the above.

The cherry on top was 'the saviour' doing his knee and being out for the year.

while i agree the LM decisions are bewildering imo Voss is still not the man. he is controlling a team that was supposed to be playing deep into sept yet lost to cellar dwellers in Richmond, North and pumped by Port.

Cant blame the LM for that.
Yes and no. LM drafts players on football ability and character. Gimme a hard working, loyal B grader who would run through brick walls for the jumper and the coach over an A grade sook who throws the toys out of the pram when it all gets too hard.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #74 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: shawny – on


while i agree the LM decisions are bewildering imo Voss is still not the man. he is controlling a team that was supposed to be playing deep into sept yet lost to cellar dwellers in Richmond, North and pumped by Port.

Cant blame the LM for that.
Yes and no. LM drafts players on football ability and character. Gimme a hard working, loyal B grader who would run through brick walls for the jumper and the coach over an A grade sook who throws the toys out of the pram when it all gets too hard.

Still mate the players that took the field for both of those losses were more then capable to beat those teams and failed.

That is on Voss and the players that took the field in those 2 games - they just didnt want it enough