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Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #75 –
How come Essendon and Scott aren’t coming under intense scrutiny, they’re going crap too

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Lods – on


It might be about finding the right moment and the right side to bring them in against.
Do we go for the 'hard' lesson
Moore on Lemmey, or Ben C against the Collingwood midfield might have been an excellent learning experience.
It could also be a confidence sapper.
I'm not sure the Brisbane game is the right one either.
Melbourne would be the game.
But we'll see what they do it might be this week.
When they do get their chance we have to appreciate this is just for development purposes and judge them accordingly.
Lemmey's out of contract this year but I reckon he's worth persisting with for another year

I agree with all you've said here, but there is also the  old "to be the best you need to beat the best" and everyone a chance to pit themselves against the reigning premiers. You might find the young kids putting their hands up begging for a crack at them. If they do, it's to be encouraged I reckon. Its all part of the learning.

Yep
I'm not overly fussed if they try something like Lemmey and Ben Camporeale this week.
As Kruddler mentioned there's not a great deal hanging on it now.
We can manage the minutes.
If it turns to crap we can move a few magnets.
Just wondering though, with the changes last week, and similar changes suggested for this week...is it too much all at once.
There's probably a couple of schools of thought operating here.
One would be for trying to halt or pause the situation with an element of stability.
The other would be for as much youth and experimentation as possible.

A combination would probably be the best approach with a couple of youngsters getting a try each week and replacing a couple of other youngsters.
Give them a couple of games each before the end of the year, and we go into the off-eason with a bit of an idea how they perform at senior level.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #77 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
How come Essendon and Scott aren’t coming under intense scrutiny, they’re going crap too

It is  bit strange that the team sitting 12th on the ladder is copping a ton more flack than the 6 teams below it.
I guess it's about 2 things
1) Stage of development
2) Failure to meet Expectations

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I agree with all you've said here, but there is also the  old "to be the best you need to beat the best" and everyone a chance to pit themselves against the reigning premiers. You might find the young kids putting their hands up begging for a crack at them. If they do, it's to be encouraged I reckon. Its all part of the learning.

Yep
I'm not overly fussed if they try something like Lemmey and Ben Camporeale this week.
As Kruddler mentioned there's not a great deal hanging on it now.
We can manage the minutes.
If it turns to crap we can move a few magnets.
Just wondering though, with the changes last week, and similar changes suggested for this week...is it too much all at once.
There's probably a couple of schools of thought operating here.
One would be for trying to halting the situation with an element of stability.
The other would be for as much youth and experimentation as possible.

A combination would probably be the best approach with a couple of youngsters getting a try each week and replacing a couple of other youngsters.
Give them a couple of games each before the end of the year, and we go into the off-eason with a bit of an idea how they perform at senior level.

 Couple ways to take it.
If the kids can match it, or perform 'good enough then they can gain a huge amount of confidence.

If you save them for Melbourne and they get flogged, then they might feel more flat than if it was against the Lions.

Depends on the type of person they are and what drives them.
Was it mick or Denis or said a big game in front of a big crowd is like a final and is like 5 games of experience.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #79 –
I reckon its purely about the balance.

Last week moir, hof, and m.carrol came in.  Playing lemmey with that might mean the players play the position a bit differently to how the rest of the side expect and causes frustration everywhere.

This week, it might be Saad is back, so maybe lemmey could come in.  Also I'm not a fan of the yo yo senior selection that seems to be happening.  One in, back out next week. 

We need to try more players but if they're coming in for their debut, a few games at the level would be good.  Evans and moir didnt set the G alight but they gave plenty of effort on Friday night.  Moir even looked good at times, and I noted he's taking a turn on the ball.  Shows enough to persist with there.  Dare I say it he has saved himself particularly if we are giving up on elijah hollands (which we shouldn't do IMHO). 

Evans is a all effort player.  I really want him to succeed but he just doesnt have the kit bag imho.  Must be likeable bloke though as the guys were getting around him when he was doing his best to tackle and getting nowhere.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #80 –
We had 6 changes. What's the difference between 6 and 7 or 8 changes?

Fwiw, Fantasia and fogarty can have a spell.
Let them gain some.confidence in the 2s. Output in the 1s hasn't been terrible, but hasn't been top shelf either.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #81 –
Its not the number of changes its the role and how its played.  We are already not well drilled.  We have a few blokes trying to learn running patterns and then add too many doing that and you demoralise the rest. 

We've only played about 3 to 4 players with minimal afl experience most weeks.

I expect that to continue not because of the names but because its something Carlton hasn't had before.  We tend to scorch earth rebuild, so everyone is learning together.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #82 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
How come Essendon and Scott aren’t coming under intense scrutiny, they’re going crap too
Youth thing, "Baby Bombers" vs premiership window thing, us. They didn't have as much expectations coming into this year. Scott will have to be under scrutiny though.