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Quote from: Lods – on July 06, 2025, 07:34:34 pm

It might be about finding the right moment and the right side to bring them in against.
Do we go for the 'hard' lesson
Moore on Lemmey, or Ben C against the Collingwood midfield might have been an excellent learning experience.
It could also be a confidence sapper.
I'm not sure the Brisbane game is the right one either.
Melbourne would be the game.
But we'll see what they do it might be this week.
When they do get their chance we have to appreciate this is just for development purposes and judge them accordingly.
Lemmey's out of contract this year but I reckon he's worth persisting with for another year

I agree with all you've said here, but there is also the  old "to be the best you need to beat the best" and everyone a chance to pit themselves against the reigning premiers. You might find the young kids putting their hands up begging for a crack at them. If they do, it's to be encouraged I reckon. Its all part of the learning.

How come Essendon and Scott aren’t coming under intense scrutiny, they’re going crap too

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 06, 2025, 07:55:25 pm

I agree with all you've said here, but there is also the  old "to be the best you need to beat the best" and everyone a chance to pit themselves against the reigning premiers. You might find the young kids putting their hands up begging for a crack at them. If they do, it's to be encouraged I reckon. Its all part of the learning.

Yep
I'm not overly fussed if they try something like Lemmey and Ben Camporeale this week.
As Kruddler mentioned there's not a great deal hanging on it now.
We can manage the minutes.
If it turns to crap we can move a few magnets.
Just wondering though, with the changes last week, and similar changes suggested for this week...is it too much all at once.
There's probably a couple of schools of thought operating here.
One would be for trying to halting the situation with an element of stability.
The other would be for as much youth and experimentation as possible.

A combination would probably be the best approach with a couple of youngsters getting a try each week and replacing a couple of other youngsters.
Give them a couple of games each before the end of the year, and we go into the off-eason with a bit of an idea how they perform at senior level.

How come Essendon and Scott aren’t coming under intense scrutiny, they’re going crap too

Its not the number of changes its the role and how its played.  We are already not well drilled.  We have a few blokes trying to learn running patterns and then add too many doing that and you demoralise the rest. 

We've only played about 3 to 4 players with minimal afl experience most weeks.

I expect that to continue not because of the names but because its something Carlton hasn't had before.  We tend to scorch earth rebuild, so everyone is learning together.

Arguably it does Krudds but as has been said theres no hard and fast right/wrong in any of this.
One player will react positively to a spray, another will sulk another might never play again, they all need a tailored relationship and coaching, so to play too many kids at once may very well damage some.

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 06, 2025, 09:28:06 pm

Its not the number of changes its the role and how its played.  We are already not well drilled.  We have a few blokes trying to learn running patterns and then add too many doing that and you demoralise the rest. 

We've only played about 3 to 4 players with minimal afl experience most weeks.

I expect that to continue not because of the names but because its something Carlton hasn't had before.  We tend to scorch earth rebuild, so everyone is learning together.

I get what you are saying, and most times you'd be very much correct.

I'll ask you this and you decide if that would've matter in this instance.

By NOT making those extra couple of changes, was our team performance better off as a result? Keeping in mind we had our (almost) biggest defeat of the year of 56 points. Was there any benefit by not making 'too many' changes? Would it have matter if it was 50 point defeat or 70-80 point defeat?

Quote from: kruddler – on July 07, 2025, 04:08:51 pm

I get what you are saying, and most times you'd be very much correct.

I'll ask you this and you decide if that would've matter in this instance.

By NOT making those extra couple of changes, was our team performance better off as a result? Keeping in mind we had our (almost) biggest defeat of the year of 56 points. Was there any benefit by not making 'too many' changes? Would it have matter if it was 50 point defeat or 70-80 point defeat?

Hard to measure. 

Its as much a rhetorical question, but lets subtract the needs of the individual slightly and look at the bigger picture. 

Lemmey we want to find out whether or not he can compete at AFL level.  we are putting him in vs a team who is cruising to a flag, and playing him in a forwardline composing of Lachie Fogarty (one dimensional) Ashton Moir (no dimension to speak of yet), Zac Williams (Good but broken) Tom De koning as the relief ruck, Charlie Curnow, Orazio Fantasia with interchange forwards of Jesse Motlop and Frankie evans. 

Evans was the obvious one, but ultimately his VFL form demanded a game, so he wasnt going out.  Who does Lemmey come in for?

Its very easy sitting in the arm chair playing team selector, but I wouldn't like to play a forwardline sans curnow when we are already missing Mckay.  Moir maybe, but he is running on ball, so Lemmey isnt doing that.  TDK?  Dropping him in favour of Lemmey when Pittonet has been very patchy at AFL level is risky.  You rob the mids if we end up rucking Lemmey at all, because he is ruck sized, but not ruck competitive.  you touched on playing Cripps hurt, but that means we cant run Moir on ball because we played Lemmey. 

We already carried HOF in, who was coming in cold.  Playing Lewis Young instead of HOF doesnt help him either.

Its a balance.  IF your goal is to get Lemmey into the team, you can achieve that, but if your goal is to do the right thing by the team, is playing Lemmey the right option?

As per northerns comment, there is no way that is right, and none that is wrong.  Had he played I would have said yep, probably time to test him.  We have 6 games to go though and he will get a shot, and I dont think its going to be one and done.