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Well he is currently playing like he doesn't give a F so he's getting some practise in early.

Toms money straight to Rohan.  Done.

Not every North player was enamoured about Pagan and his methods. I've heard Adam Simpson describe some of his "coaching" in less than glowing terms and Corey McKernan was not a fan either - he left to come to us, and checked out again when Pagan came across to us.  There's two examples straight off the bat.
Kouta writes about it in detail in his book.  It was 1980s hard ass coaching for a 2000s group that didn't respond to that approach.  Some people would call them "soft", others would say they were independent enough to not unthinkingly swallow abuse and BS.
Pagan was the kind of coach you played to spite, not to because he was your mate.

Quote from: Professer E – on July 08, 2025, 12:17:38 pm

Not every North player was enamoured about Pagan and his methods. I've heard Adam Simpson describe some of his "coaching" in less than glowing terms and Corey McKernan was not a fan either - he left to come to us, and checked out again when Pagan came across to us.  There's two examples straight off the bat.
Kouta writes about it in detail in his book.  It was 1980s hard ass coaching for a 2000s group that didn't respond to that approach.  Some people would call them "soft", others would say they were independent enough to not unthinkingly swallow abuse and BS.
Pagan was the kind of coach you played to spite, not to because he was your mate.

I'm 2 pages behind, so sorry if this has been mentioned...
Pagan and Malthouse had long stints at their previous clubs, the entire list was "theirs" so players either bought in or withered and died.
When you transplant those "old" coaches to a new environment, straight away you get 40 guys saying to themselves "he cant talk to me like that, Ive played my whole career here and hes been here 5 mins "

Quote from: Professer E – on July 08, 2025, 04:11:32 pm

Marshall isn't as flashy but he's a reliable footballer - exactly what we need right now.  Don't know how we'd wangle it though.

He wont stay when Tom arrives so he'll want out, only question is whether he'd entertain us or wants to go to Sth Australia. If he's interested, should be too hard to satisfy him.

Well he is currently playing like he doesn't give a F so he's getting some practise in early.

Toms money straight to Rohan.  Done.

If we don't get Marshall there's some really good ruck/forwards in this year's draft.  Plus Skull shows promise. We'll be ok. 

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 08, 2025, 02:23:15 pm

Id be dropping TDK and Charlie Curnow this week, the former has checked out and has been poor the past few weeks and Charlie hasnt kicked a goal for three weeks and been half arsed and ultra casual about his work and Id have both in the VFL team for a couple of weeks to think about their responsibilities to the team.
If they want to sulk about it they can stay in the ressies, and in Charlies case Id put him up for trade if he wouldnt change his attitude. Voss has been reticent to drop big names probably because his job is on the line and he fears losing their support but I think if we had done it earlier on we might have sent a stronger message on how the club will be operating for the rest of the season and that when he said get used to being comfortable about being uncomfortable he meant it.

He was often maligned but one of the players who left us to go to another club who I really admire was Bryce Gibbs.
He tried 'unsuccessfully' to head to Adelaide at the end of the 2016 season but  deal couldn't be done.
He didn't sook about it.
He came back in  2017 and put his head down and played some really good football, statistically one of his best seasons (43 disposals and 10 tackles in one game)
He knew he would try again for the move at the end of the year but still gave us good efforts.
Tom looks likely to go.
The least we can expect is that he plays in a similar fashion right up until the end.

Quote from: Professer E – on July 08, 2025, 06:11:42 pm

If we don't get Marshall there's some really good ruck/forwards in this year's draft.  Plus Skull shows promise. We'll be ok. 

Skull does show promise but he has so far proven to be more than a bit fragile

Quote from: Professer E – on July 08, 2025, 04:14:59 pm

Well he is currently playing like he doesn't give a F so he's getting some practise in early.

Toms money straight to Rohan.  Done.

Exactly, gonna be an interesting Ruckmen Merry Go Round at the end of the year. Cameron would be the one I'd really want.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 08, 2025, 04:17:11 pm

Exactly, gonna be an interesting Ruckmen Merry Go Round at the end of the year. Cameron would be the one I'd really want.

Cameron is too old and would hate to go from their culture to us IMO.

Marshall would be a great get - his tap work and work at ground level is exactly what we need. As TDK best work is when he is the sole ruck, they cant have Marshall in their long term plans unless they will play him as a forward but that seems unlikely. He would have a point to prove and if the offer is good he may be tempted but being contracted old mate SOS will 100% want the farm in return.

While Pit gives effort he's a old school slow lumbering ruck man which we cant have as our main option if we want to improve especially with the one paced midfield we currently have.