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Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #120 –
I think the take away from all this is that players need to be judged individually because there are a number of factors at play.

One 30 year old may be done and dusted, another in their prime.
Genetics is one factor-Size and shape, how well they age.
Injury impact and recovery is another.
The way they play and the position they play can also impact on a players longevity...espcially if they play a physical bash and crash style like Cripps.

You really can't tell, because it's a fact that we all age differently.
It's probably also a fact that once you hit 30 you're closer to the end of your career than the beginning.
With that in mind, if there is no a great deal between two players-one aged 25 the other 30 you'll go with the younger player because you'll get more time with him.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #121 –
Quote from: pinot – on
TDK's form has completely crashed since the North Melbourne match against Tristan Xerri.
He was completely decimated and lost all confidence since.


He was pretty sore after hitting fence. Probably should have rested him and played Pittonet. Back your depth like good sides do. There wouldn't be many 2nd rucks better than Pittonet.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #122 –
We are a club prepared to play injured players and have a poor medical record in looking after players ditto at Essendon.
Collingwood, Geelong imo are better equipped to look after older players and take the gamble .

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #123 –
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/afl-2024-uncertainty-surrounding-jamie-elliotts-football-future-vascular-issue-in-his-foot-injury-latest-news-return-collingwood-magpies/news-story/14ead8a803e4e18d6b16c94386e3cc48

The myth.  Other clubs do it better.

The reality:  Age 31 at Carlton, and there would be numerous calls to delist him, and trade him "whilst he still has currency".

Not new for "billy"  hes missed a lot of footy with hamstrings and foot issues.

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The only thing I know about his injury is that he was coming off for a couple of weeks midway through a second quarter and couldn’t feel his foot,” Buckley said on SEN.

“He’d take his boot off and it (his foot) was black. That’s a concern, you know something’s not right. They were able to find the vascular issue, which is basically blood flow into and out of his foot.”

Buckley hasnt been his coach for a long time. 

Meanwhile fast forward to season 2025:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/43669336/coleman-medal-leaderboard-season-2025-kicked-most-goals-afl

Sitting 4th on 41 goals as a small forward. 

Learn the lesson Carlton.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #124 –
There is a difference between playing 30yo's and trading 1st round picks for them.

Nobody is saying Marshall is going to a retirement home next year, but surely people can see that his longevity compared to what else that same 1st round pick can get you elsewhere is severly different.

Let TDK walk.
Use Pittonet for a year with HOK as backup. Maybe add Riley in the off-season.
See how that goes for the year and if required, get a free agent ruck in next year.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #125 –
TDK would’ve signed by now if he was staying. We are not in finals contention. Why would he not be dropped for rhe remainder of the season? What are the pros and cons.

Personally I feel affronted that we put time into him and even gave his mum even a little platform
With McKays mum etc - and now he’s leaving, absolutely his prerogative to chase $500k more over 7 years but I just think he’s done so let’s move on now with others.

Also is $500k x  7 years really worth leaving Carlton? I could understand if Sts were a finals bound club but they’re not - maybe they have the young talent that’ll come thru with him…

Anyway it’s been a poor year and I’m looking forward to sorting out this crape and getting on with playing and winning footy games again!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #126 –
Looking forward to tomorrow night's game. Who knows, it might be the beginning of a new dawn - how's that for optimism! Better than sinking into a pointless pit of despair over 36 blokes kicking a bag of air around a paddock... Reductionism to the rescue! ;D

I do not think it is a fait accompli. Maybe all the errors of the past, which culminated in the current unmitigated disaster, have finally been confronted with authenticity, cold objectivity and courage, and the players will take the field emboldened.  (What was the big Supertramp hit from 1975? Maybe that's me at this moment).  ;)  ;)
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #127 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/afl-2024-uncertainty-surrounding-jamie-elliotts-football-future-vascular-issue-in-his-foot-injury-latest-news-return-collingwood-magpies/news-story/14ead8a803e4e18d6b16c94386e3cc48

The myth.  Other clubs do it better.

The reality:  Age 31 at Carlton, and there would be numerous calls to delist him, and trade him "whilst he still has currency".

Not new for "billy"  hes missed a lot of footy with hamstrings and foot issues.

Quote
The only thing I know about his injury is that he was coming off for a couple of weeks midway through a second quarter and couldn’t feel his foot,” Buckley said on SEN.

“He’d take his boot off and it (his foot) was black. That’s a concern, you know something’s not right. They were able to find the vascular issue, which is basically blood flow into and out of his foot.”

Buckley hasnt been his coach for a long time. 

Meanwhile fast forward to season 2025:

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/43669336/coleman-medal-leaderboard-season-2025-kicked-most-goals-afl

Sitting 4th on 41 goals as a small forward. 

Learn the lesson Carlton.
Pies fixed Elliott and have been happy to rest and be patient with DeGoey, we would have played them injured and stuffed them completely as would Essendon, Melbourne and all the other dud teams desperate for success and willing to risk top players for the short term.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #128 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
(What was the big Supertramp hit from 1975? Maybe that's me at this moment).  ;)  ;)

You're nothing but a "Dreamer" Baggers
 ;)  :D

Although , it wouldn't surprise in the least if we showed some dramatic improvement.
These are the type of games that often produce the upset.
A bit of overconfidence by Brisbane, a better effort and intensity from us...who knows.
The more likely scenario will be business as usual...but we can only hope.

The team selections will be particularly interesting and may tell a story, especially around the ruck options

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #129 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
There is a difference between playing 30yo's and trading 1st round picks for them.

Nobody is saying Marshall is going to a retirement home next year, but surely people can see that his longevity compared to what else that same 1st round pick can get you elsewhere is severly different.

Let TDK walk.
Use Pittonet for a year with HOK as backup. Maybe add Riley in the off-season.
See how that goes for the year and if required, get a free agent ruck in next year.

No we are gonna trade them all at 28 because they are busted and we need to get value in the team. 

So we are going to trade what we have with value to get value, and then wonder why the club is spiritually bankrupt. :D

The argument rings true on many levels, I wouldn't be trading anything of such high value for an old player either.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #130 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
^^Ergo, age isnt the issue which is my main contention.



Good players can play into their mid 30s
People calling  Doc to retire....I don't agree with it. He is a natural footballer that is out of form - probably not top 15 on the list but is top 25-30. If his body allows him to run, jump and crack into contests he should play on. If not then he needs to call it a day.
I don't think Doc is out of form - although he certainly started the season that way - some of his recent games have had him among our better players. 

I just think time and injuries have caught up with him and he has lost (more than) a yard of pace - so much so that he is consistently under pressure when delivering the ball - i.e. the mind is (more than) willing but the body can no longer serve the dinner, other than by way of turnovers or by kicking and hoping, rather than to advantage.

Having said that, I would be happy to see him stay on the list as long as he can justify his place in the team.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #131 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
There is a difference between playing 30yo's and trading 1st round picks for them.

Nobody is saying Marshall is going to a retirement home next year, but surely people can see that his longevity compared to what else that same 1st round pick can get you elsewhere is severly different.

Let TDK walk.
Use Pittonet for a year with HOK as backup. Maybe add Riley in the off-season.
See how that goes for the year and if required, get a free agent ruck in next year.


Yep agree let's not part with a young star (sometimes) ruckman and replace with an older lesser version. Let Krooz. continue the good work he appears to be doing developing young rucks such as O'Keef and Riley.

Ab

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #132 –
Acres dropped apparently
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #133 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Acres dropped apparently
Bout time
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #134 –
If the players have even a morsel of respect for Vossy, they will do the job for him tomorrow night.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership