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Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #15 –
Hopeless - bunch of heeadless chooks that have nfi what they are doing.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #16 –
There's a theory that the strength of the 'bottom 6' of a team is the differentiator of teams. Another post somewhere had about 8 of our best 23 out.  A real test of our depth.  Given that many on the forum bemoan player development in the VFL, the current results aren't a surprise.  The bottom 6 are better when playing alongside the genuinely best 17 as they contubute at their level.  When the 6 becomes 12 is where the struggle is.

While the game wasn't great tonight, thought they fought ok - some basic skill errors lead to easy goals to Brisbane. We get ready shots and lack composure, or mental strength to make sure that we kick the goal. That hurts.

When Williams had the shot for goal in the last, I said to my son that he'll do a hammy. 2 minutes later he was on his own and looked as if he had - might have been cramp.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #17 –
In terms of effort, energy, appetite for the contest etc, the boys looked better than they have for the last few weeks.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #18 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
In terms of effort, energy, appetite for the contest etc, the boys looked better than they have for the last few weeks.
This is true, lets not forgot who we played, we are not in their "league".
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #19 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
This is true, let’s not forgot who we played, we are not in their "league".

Yes, I agree.  The Lions started their rebuild pretty much the same time as us, and they stuck at it : one coach, good list development, good recruiting, good environment. Sigh………..

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #20 –
I'm finding it a bit hard to get a read on that performance.
Clearly we were outclassed by a much superior 'team'
In fact those few goals we kicked early in the last probably flattered our scoreline.

I thought our effort was better.
Not great, but better.
Our intensity, effort and pressure was up a level on recent weeks....but nowhere near what we're capable of applying.

Cripps seemed to be more influential than he has been in recent weeks.
Charlie, once again without a goal, but played OK around the ground and missed a couple he should have kicked.
Problem was it was left to too few and some of the  errors, especially getting caught with the ball, were diabolical and costly.
The lions seemed to have a bit of a mission when it came to tackles and pressure.
Many of our players could have phoned in their efforts.

We have a bit of a problem with Tom.
If he's made a decision he needs to let the club know.
And with the way he's playing, it may be that he finishes his time at Carlton, either playing VFL or not at all.
We're getting very little from him, compared to what he's capable of, and that's disappointing because even though many of us can understand the decision to take the money, the way he finishes will mean we won't remember him with fondness.
The response from Carlton folk when he touches the ball with his new side will be similar to the response he got when he touched it playing for us last night.

There was some silly commentary around that last night (Cornes I think) when fans were criticised for the booing and bronx cheers of TDK.
What does he expect given the effort and the situation.
No doubt it's been a decision that has weighed on DeKoning, and that is probably a factor in the drop off in performance...but fans can only judge on performance.

There was also some silly commentary around Durdin flying for marks.
"That's not his go!" was the  comment.
In fact it's very much his go, and he's taken a couple of the better marks by a Carlton player this year.
He may not have a lot of weapons, and his high marking isn't seen often, but it's not something that's "not his go".

You look at the scoreboard (even though it flattered us a bit) and then you look in the stands and see Newman, McKay Walsh and Silvagni sitting together,
There's probably a couple of goals more in attack for us, and probably a couple of goals less for them in our defence.

It looks like we've lost Fantasia (who was actually one of our better players when he went off.)  A couple of folks have mentioned both Williams and McGovern pulling up a bit sore (cramp or injury). We'll have to wait and see. But we should probably expect some major changes next week.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #21 –
TDK is playing 80% forward, what do you expect?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #23 –
I think the De Koning situation has gone on too long. The club should have managed it better, by at least imposing a kind of decision deadline. It has created IMO too much distraction, for a club that can ill afford any more of that.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #24 –
I think fans like to blame outsiders.
Fantasia had a great game yesterday and still got blamed.
TDK is in that outsider camp now.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #25 –
They had a decent go but our deplorable skill level and inability to stick or break a tackle really hurt us.  And there was a real discrepancy in system and football IQ - but they are a good side and should have won by 100 points.

Our defensive "system" has completely broken down and the Lion's professional system manipulated match ups and isolated our defenders.  They slaughtered us on turnovers - a reflection of our inexperienced defence, woeful disposal and their focus on pressure and tackling, and we wilted under the pressure. Some poor umpiring didn't help. Weeters isn't lynch pining the defence and the system has broken...he looks fatigued.  Carroll had a mare, got isolated and exploited and McG coughed up early goals with his typical rank kicks and errors - he simply can't play in defence. O'Farrell showed that he could be a real player and Moo kept trying to run but we have no rebound from half back and there is zero system to do so - and our disposal is so bad we can't string disposal chains together to bring the ball forward in a "safe" manner. Doc looks cooked, the game has gone past him. Try Lucas C. as a small running  defender instead ?
Our midfield got smashed, although Cripps tried and George boxed on, but this is a modern pacy midfield built for today's game and they smashed on on spread and transition.  Cerra ran around and contributed very little (looks very slow ATM) and could be replaced by Ben C. sooner rather than later. Cinch had patches of control on McCluggage but the silk factor got him in the end.  Pitt tried very hard and flew the flag but TdK was largely invisible until the last, where he clearly responded to a jag - he has checked out and I'd consider playing Skull in front of a bloke only going at half rat power. Motlop had his moments in the midfield but his footy IQ when in F50 seems to completely desert him - I don't know what to make of him.
Forwards were woeful, but there is no process to deliver the ball to them. Charlie marked well but his continued misses are sapping for himself and the team.  Looked really on early but just got swamped - we really need a second marking option to take some heat from him and maybe play him higher? McG gave nothing up forward and that's the issue with him - not a defender, inconsistent as a forward.  Time to move him on I reckon.
The ground level forwards as a collective stank.  They are not kicking goals and they are not putting any pressure on the defenders exiting - Zorko killed us and put immense pressure on our defense as a result. 
Fog was awful again with zero impact and blew a soda at a critical time - delist material.  Williams invisible and worried about some niggle, Fantasia injured after a neat moments (high IQ player), Young (hurt?), Durdin invisible and too slow... and Moir his forward craft stands out relative to the other gumbys.  He was given a lot of ground time but for all his vaunted skill plays like a millionaire.  They work so hard to get the ball to him and he plays in a profligate manner.  I ask myself if he wants it badly enough or is he just another flaky flanker?  We badly need him to convert all the shots he gets instead of blowing them.

They tried for Voss but their isn't much left and get prepared some awful floggings in the next six weeks.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #26 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think the De Koning situation has gone on too long. The club should have managed it better, by at least imposing a kind of decision deadline. It has created IMO too much distraction, for a club that can ill afford any more of that.

I think the club has tried to be professional about Tom but I don’t think he’s responded, if skull goes ok in the VFL I’d swap them
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #27 –
Considering we played with four less players than Brisvegas -- TDK, Fogarty, Durdin & McGovern -- it was a pretty brave effort.

Reality is the scoreboard flattered us due to Brisvegas going into 'containment mode' in the last qtr. It was a ten goal defeat.

Our leaders did step up and gave their all.

The TDK situation must be dealt with immediately, it's negatively impacting him, the club and his team mates.

So glad Cowan has signed on for more years with us. He's a ripper.

Loved Pitto's game. We know he has his shortcomings, but there aren't too many ruckmen about who are the complete package.

We may have the slowest midfield in the known cosmos.

 
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #28 –
The umpire’s block on Cowan needs to be looked at.  It’s ridiculous that one team gets an advantage from an umpire’s poor positioning. 

If anyone deserves to fined for that fiasco it’s the umpy.

I was thinking that all field umpires could be placed inside Zorb balls but ball ups would be a problem  🤔
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #29 –
We could have had a 3 goal turn around via Motlop finishing the work properly.  That set shot showed a player lacking confidence.  He missed.  The end to end play resulted in Matt Carroll getting pinged.  He repeated that same mistake a minute later.

Im not a matt carroll fan, and im not signing him up was the right reign to pull.  He doesnt defend well, and whilst he uses it well, I fail to see what he offers us that Jordan Boyd doesnt.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson