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Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #60 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: shawny – on
We are the new St Kilda.  Happy with effort

Happy in the sense that it was a positive compared to recent weeks. Not happy in the sense that we believe it's all about effort and nothing more.

Agree the effort was up compared to the previous weeks, skills/execution have been substandard for weeks.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #61 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Agree the effort was up compared to the previous weeks, skills/execution have been substandard for weeks.

Yes no doubt. I'm presently very much of the opinion that this is a head space issue.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #62 –
My eldest son was a fairly handy tennis player in his teens but rarely put in any effort which use to frustrate me no end. In the end he agreed to pretend to try. I am not sure Carlton actually tried last night or were just pretending to try. In the end I thought there effort was a genuine E.
No one wants to kick a goal. No one wants to take responsibility.  If we kicked the goals we miss then we would be closer and therefore we would have to take responsibility for the game. As it is, we miss straight forward shots on goal, the opposition goes down and kick a goal and the game is taken away from us and our players just acquiesce to the situation.
The Pittonett goal should have been something to inspire the team but it didn't. It seems to be something they can laugh about at training next week. It also demonstrated that our leaders are really just people who front the band as no one wants to follow. The problem for Pittonett is that we now know he can do it and so he now needs to do it regularly and then he needs to be able to do it all the time.
As for the Cowan incident,  this demonstrates what a rubbish Club we have become because these sorts of things happen to rubbish Clubs.
 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
My eldest son was a fairly handy tennis player in his teens but rarely put in any effort which use to frustrate me no end. In the end he agreed to pretend to try. I am not sure Carlton actually tried last night or were just pretending to try.............................

Pretending to try may be enough to fool spectators, but if they can fool the coaches and other football staff, then I'd be both shocked and incredibly disappointed.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #64 –
And incredibly worried.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #65 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on

As for the Cowan incident,  this demonstrates what a rubbish Club we have become because these sorts of things happen to rubbish Clubs.
Gee that sounds like victim blaming!

Stupid umpire right in the passage of play! Should’ve been a whistle and a ball up!

We are not a rubbish club - we are going thru a tough period.  But ask yourself - if a fit Newman Walsh, JSOS, H, Elijah were playing, would it have been a different result? Maybe.

So let’s ease up on this yeah, we’re obvs not in a good space now but I have belief still,

Currently sitting at Ikon Park watching the VFL team, we are a proud club and this period (extended) does hurt but let’s back our boys and help get them out of this funk. And make TDK decide on this contract today! Enough Tom foolery!

ETA Forgot about Jagga - what would the season look like with him?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #66 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
In terms of effort, energy, appetite for the contest etc, the boys looked better than they have for the last few weeks.

We are the new St Kilda.  Happy with effort

In term of effort, we won the contested ball and clearances.    Two very good indicators of effort.

Our ball use and decision making are a different story.

They had a dip last night.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Quote from: shawny – on


We are the new St Kilda.  Happy with effort

In term of effort, we won the contested ball and clearances.    Two very good indicators of effort.

Our ball use and decision making are a different story.

They had a dip last night.

Yeah I don't get the questioning of our effort.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #68 –
One of the biggest indictments on the coaching staff is the inept manner in which we frequently try to bring the ball into play after opponents score a behind.  It seems that the inability of our players to kick the ball to advantage when under no pressure is very evident in this area and hoping for the best is clearly not an effective strategy (if it is a strategy at all).

McGovern and Docherty are a turnover merchants who run up the ground and either mis-kick the ball or kick it high to a contest (in the centre square) only to see it come back quicker than it went out.

The Saad option works sometimes but that option frequently results in him bouncing the ball after one or two steps then running into trouble before hand-passing to an under-pressure teammate and (possibly) getting the ball back under similar pressure.

Conversely, opponents consistently move the ball with relative ease through (what passes for) our defensive cluster(fc*k).

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #69 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
One of the biggest indictments on the coaching staff is the inept manner in which we frequently try to bring the ball into play after opponents score a behind.  It seems that the inability of our players to kick the ball to advantage when under no pressure is very evident in this area and hoping for the best is clearly not an effective strategy (if it is a strategy at all).

McGovern and Docherty are a turnover merchants who run up the ground and either mis-kick the ball or kick it high to a contest (in the centre square) only to see it come back quicker than it went out.

The Saad option works sometimes but that option frequently results in him bouncing the ball after one or two steps then running into trouble before hand-passing to an under-pressure teammate and (possibly) getting the ball back under similar pressure.

Conversely, opponents consistently move the ball with relative ease through (what passes for) our defensive cluster(fc*k).

Its like a different player has been taking the kick ins for the last few years.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #70 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I think fans like to blame outsiders.
Fantasia had a great game yesterday and still got blamed.
TDK is in that outsider camp now.

If Fantasia had a 'great' game, what type of game would you say Motlop had?

Fantasia vs Motlop - Stat
14 vs 17 - Disposals
1 vs 6 - Marks
1 vs 5 - Clearances
4 vs 3 - Inside 50's
1 vs 2 - Rebound 50's
13 vs 18 - Pressure acts
4 vs 4 - Tackles
4 vs 5 - Score involvements
1.0 vs 0.1 - Scoring (G.B)

29 vs 21 - Age

If you want to talk about TDK...

TDK vs Pittonet - Stat
14 vs 7 - Disposals
0 vs 2 - Intercept disposals
3 vs 1 - Marks
0 vs 1 - Contested Marks
2 vs 1 - Clearances
0 vs 1 - Inside 50's
0 vs 0 - Rebound 50's
5 vs 6 - Pressure acts
4 vs 2 - Tackles
4 vs 4 - Score involvements
1.0 vs 2.0 - Scoring (G.B)
33 vs 66 - Ruck contests
10 vs 34 - Hitouts
4 vs 14 - Hitouts to advantage

Compare the pair....
One is 'a hack' who needs to be replaced.
One is '1.7mil worthy' who is 'elite'.

So boo hoo about outsiders all you like. There are other 'hacks' that are outperforming them. So perhaps they are not outsiders at all, rather just underperforming.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #71 –
^^

Dont forget to do metres gained.

Fantasia 304.

Motlop 189.

Oh and time on ground percetange 81% motlop, and Fantasia 51%.

Fantasia's issues are reliability.

Not capability.  Reliability limits his capability.

Both of them are luxuries a side like ours cannot afford.

TDK played most of his game forward, and Pittonet mostly in the ruck.  Thats another stinky comparison.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #72 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
^^

Dont forget to do metres gained.

Fantasia 304.

Motlop 189.

Oh and time on ground percetange 81% motlop, and Fantasia 51%.

Fantasia's issues are reliability.

Not capability.  Reliability limits his capability.

Both of them are luxuries a side like ours cannot afford.

TDK played most of his game forward, and Pittonet mostly in the ruck.  Thats another stinky comparison.

I was picking generic data. Not favouring one or the other.

I included complete ruck stats to show relative numbers there.
That is...
Pitto wins 1/2 the hitouts of contests he is in. TDK 1/3
Pitto gets 1/5 hitouts to advantage from ruck contests he attends. TDK is 1 in 7.

TDK played most of his game forward...cool....Pitto outscored him, took more contested marks, had as many score involvements.
But TDK looks pretty running around the ground and can jump higher. None of this translates to actual output on game day.

You didn't want to include TOG for those 2 though? Does it hurt your defence?
Pitto TOG - 74%
TDK TOG - 85%

As for Fantasia vs Motlop......i chose that comparison before even looking at the stats and was surprised how much better Motlop did.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #73 –
Supercoach

Fantasia 83 (51% game time)
Motlop 59 (81% game time)
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #74 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Supercoach

Fantasia 83 (51% game time)
Motlop 59 (81% game time)

lol.....not surprised you are living in a 'fantasy' world.