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AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

We play Melbourne on Saturday 19th July at the MCG at 19:35.
At least it isn't another damned Thursday night game.
We might get a player or two back, but there is no certainty of this.
Live Long and Prosper!

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OK
Time for a few debuts and a bit of experimentation. ;)  :D

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I am a little shocked by the fall of Fog, I once considered him one of our more important (role) players, right now he is  "pay out" delist material.  Then again, I also considered him one of our "barometers" and his form matches ours so I guess it tells a story.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

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Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I am a little shocked by the fall of Fog, I once considered him one of our more important (role) players, right now he is  "pay out" delist material.  Then again, I also considered him one of our "barometers" and his form matches ours so I guess it tells a story.

Him and many others are sadly out of form, and miles away from their best footy.

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But is his best even good enough?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Ive not seen a team start a season in such poor physical condition and not build as the season wore on.

Ive also not seen a team do what we have done this season, where the form lines early were pretty poor aside from a handful of players, and rather have the rest build form, we have had more drop out of form as the season has gone on.

Its like the harder they try, the more they stuff it.

Finally, we have not been the same since they tightened the holding the ball interpretation which has resulted in the ultra fast ball movement we are seeing now.  Its opened the game up, but I cant fathom how a guy having one armed held whilst taking posession gets pinged for not being able to get it loose.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Quote from: Thryleon – on
Ive not seen a team start a season in such poor physical condition and not build as the season wore on.

Ive also not seen a team do what we have done this season, where the form lines early were pretty poor aside from a handful of players, and rather have the rest build form, we have had more drop out of form as the season has gone on.

Its like the harder they try, the more they stuff it.

Finally, we have not been the same since they tightened the holding the ball interpretation which has resulted in the ultra fast ball movement we are seeing now.  Its opened the game up, but I cant fathom how a guy having one armed held whilst taking posession gets pinged for not being able to get it loose.


I think the dropping out of form as the season has progressed can be explained to certain extent by the fact that players like Cripps and Weitering, in fact every player, have had to shoulder an extra responsibility due to a reduction in support around them.
They're forced to carry an extra load because of missing players.
That reaches a point where their own form suffers.
Cripps seemed better last night.
Weitering's looking a bit worse for the wear...he'd be much more comfortable with players like Silvagni, Newman...even Saad all on deck.

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Quote from: Professer E – on
But is his best even good enough?
Yes however he has almost run of leave passes.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Quote from: Professer E – on
But is his best even good enough?
He is ok for a midpack struggling team but wouldnt be getting a game in any of the top 8 teams imo.
Its a shame as he is one of my fav players as he does a lot of the effort skills well when in form but he has just fallen off a cliff in terms of winning the ball and his contesting especially in marking duels vs his opponent early was non existent.

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Cerra sent to tribunal he will get done

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Quote from: pinot – on
Cerra sent to tribunal he will get done
What did he do?

I missed it from where I was sitting.  Its a shame, because we are crying out for a player to stand up and fly the flag.  We sighted for football acts, not anything resembling physicality.

Edit.  If its a collision with an umpire he'll get a fine at worst.  He was facing the other way and backed into him.  

Cowan on the other hand the umpire should be fined for crimes against footy.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Quote from: Thryleon – on
What did he do?

I missed it from where I was sitting.  Its a shame, because we are crying out for a player to stand up and fly the flag.  We sighted for football acts, not anything resembling physicality.

I think he bumped into an umpire, which for him is the 4th time in 2 years, which now means a visit to the Tribunal. Just laughable.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2025-michael-voss-comments-on-umpire-contact-chris-fagan-comments-on-umpire-contact-lachie-cowan-umpire-contact-will-ashcroft-will-adam-cerra-be-suspended-umpire-contact-crackdown-comments-reactions-latest-news/news-story/bac036ee46618efdb4dc55f032a3e302

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Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Ive not seen a team start a season in such poor physical condition and not build as the season wore on.

Ive also not seen a team do what we have done this season, where the form lines early were pretty poor aside from a handful of players, and rather have the rest build form, we have had more drop out of form as the season has gone on.

Its like the harder they try, the more they stuff it.

Finally, we have not been the same since they tightened the holding the ball interpretation which has resulted in the ultra fast ball movement we are seeing now.  Its opened the game up, but I cant fathom how a guy having one armed held whilst taking posession gets pinged for not being able to get it loose.


Weitering's looking a bit worse for the wear...he'd be much more comfortable with players like Silvagni, Newman...even Saad all on deck.
Weitering has become one-dimensional - possibly due to carrying injuries - but he is:
- much less mobile than he used to be
- mostly limited to punching to spoil and less likely to try to take a contested mark
- much less versatile in his role - ever since Jones left, which has forced him to take the biggest opponent and position himself mostly at FB, which has limited his ability to position himself for the intercept mark across HB
- something of a panic-merchant with the ball in hand
- not as effective at kicking the ball as he used to be

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The lions player with the front on hit should have got weeks, not something they want in today's footy.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?