AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

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Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #45 – July 18, 2025, 12:35:37 pm

I cant help but think we will have a late change heading into this one. Who will be the question.

Emergencies:

Acres, Boyd, O'keefe.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #46 – July 18, 2025, 02:09:20 pm

I reckon OKeefe for TdK.
A few others like Williams are clearly on one leg, not convinced he'll play either.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #47 – July 18, 2025, 02:30:14 pm

Melbourne are in a similar position to us and play a similar game style with their stars expected to play blinders every week and win the game. I dont expect the usual flogging we have been getting and we might actually be a chance if players like Charlie, TDK and a couple of others can pull their finger out and give us their best.
Wont be pretty viewing with two stoppage based teams slogging it out with two under the pump coaches at the helm pulling the levers but it should be close and at this stage its not about win lose or draw its more about finding players for 2026 and its a shame we havent picked some more youth to develop. Would have liked to have seen Lemmey, Wilson and maybe HOK getting a go....reckon the latter vs Gawn would be an education he wont get in the VFL or on the training track and Im hoping he might be a late inclusion, same with Lemmey vs May for example or Wilson on Langdon etc.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #48 – July 18, 2025, 03:17:56 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 18, 2025, 11:50:44 am

Quote from: Adelaideblue – on July 18, 2025, 07:12:09 am
Why oh why wouldn't we be playing Harry Lemmey?
Even if just to keep a key defender away from Charlie C. Surely the time to try Lemmey at AFL level is when Harry McKay is out injured?
Is it time to arrange a members poll?

Ab

Watch Essendon last night. Remember that Liam McMahon>Harry Lemmey (based on performances at VFL level).

McMahon kicked two goals from 5 posessions and one Tackle and one mark.

One of the goals of which was a free that wasn't there.

Odds are, we will get that performance out of Lemmey, without the not there free kick.

....and that will be better than about 6 of the small forwards we are playing in the team who can't kick a goal.

Lemmey is not the type to come in and get 20 touches and kick 10.
However, if he gets 5 touches and kicks 2 goals, i'd take that every week.
2 goals a week is 46 goals for the year.....who cares how many possessions he gets, as long as he hits the scoreboard. Somewhere along the line we forgot the main job of forwards is to kick goals. We are so fixated on team defence, that we tell our forwards that defending is #1 priority and we suffer as a result.

FYI, Curnow has only kicked 27 goals from 16 games.....which is less than 2 goals a game.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #49 – July 18, 2025, 03:21:13 pm

I have no problem selecting Lemmey or not selecting him.

I have a problem with the outrage associated with why/why not.

Its clear as the day is long as to why, you just have to have seen him play footy. I told you that McMahon > Lemmey.

Thats the Greater than symbol in McMahon's direction.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #50 – July 18, 2025, 03:27:50 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 18, 2025, 03:21:13 pm

I have no problem selecting Lemmey or not selecting him.

I have a problem with the outrage associated with why/why not.

Its clear as the day is long as to why, you just have to have seen him play footy. I told you that McMahon > Lemmey.

Thats the Greater than symbol in McMahon's direction.

While McMahon was there he was the main target.
Lemmey has been more prominent since he left, simply because with McMahon gone and O'Keefe missing a few games he became the main forward target.

I still think it's probably worth giving him a game at senior level if we plan on keeping him, just for the experience.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #51 – July 18, 2025, 03:31:06 pm

Lods, I have explained my position. If you want a full forward, with the turning circle, athleticism of the titanic, play him.

If you dont, dont. Denver Grainger Barras performed as a key forward in a more competitive and athletic style (thus far), and he was regarded as a bit of a non competitor at AFL level.

There was outrage when we didnt select McMahon (may or may not be justified, time will tell) but on evidence, its not so outrageous.

There is outrage when Lemmey isnt "given a game" when he thus far has shown nothing aside from being tall and finishing his work well enough.

I actually want to see him get a chance, but he isnt being held back by an inept MC who is wanting to select anyone but him, which is how it reads on this forum.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #52 – July 18, 2025, 04:13:00 pm

I think most of the criticism of his non-selection is coming from those who haven't seen him play.
Like you I'm not terribly fussed either way
There was a point where he seemed to be getting more involved and showing some promise some weeks back, but that seems to have tapered off.

I'm just of the opinion that, now the season's done, let him have a game at the senior level.
With McKay out, and TDK not really contributing a great deal as a forward we really have nothing to lose.
I'd be trying as many of these kids as possible, staggered over the next few weeks, just to have a look.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #53 – July 18, 2025, 04:13:12 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 18, 2025, 03:21:13 pm

I have no problem selecting Lemmey or not selecting him.

I have a problem with the outrage associated with why/why not.

Its clear as the day is long as to why, you just have to have seen him play footy. I told you that McMahon > Lemmey.

Thats the Greater than symbol in McMahon's direction.

I get the grade 3 mathematical symbols, thanks.

You've made your stance clear, i get it.

Riddle me this. If his likelyhood of success follows the function y=1/x with x being time (that is, it gets closer to zero the further along you go

) then why does he have a spot on our list?
This year has been by far his best year and its been so much better than previous years. Yes, i've watched him play this year. I have also watched him play years past, which is why i've seen such a big improvement in him this year, so what is the point of having him on a list, if he improves and STILL doesn't get a gig?
Its not like we couldn't find another small forward to put on the list instead of him, as is our way.
He was named as an emergency last week. If he is so far away, why do that??

Honestly, i couldn't give a rats behind if he is on our list next year or not. My issue is our MC fail to do anything remotely progressive and reward good form. Instead, we pick players who had good form, lost it, but now get a game because....why not.
Chances are Lemmey will go goalless for the next 2 weeks, and then get a callup where he will have zero confidence, completely out of form and have zero chance of success....and THAT will be when i say i told you so.

We do the same thing all the time. Ben Campo.....good form....not picked....now can't be picked, but will most likely get a game at the end of the year when he's had no form to speak of.
Last year it was Jaxon Binns. Was in form, lost it, then got a callup.
Year on year its the same. This year, its Lemmey......and to a lesser extent Ben Campo, but at least he's in his first year.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #54 – July 18, 2025, 04:30:58 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on July 18, 2025, 03:17:56 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 18, 2025, 11:50:44 am

Watch Essendon last night. Remember that Liam McMahon>Harry Lemmey (based on performances at VFL level).

McMahon kicked two goals from 5 posessions and one Tackle and one mark.

One of the goals of which was a free that wasn't there.

Odds are, we will get that performance out of Lemmey, without the not there free kick.

....and that will be better than about 6 of the small forwards we are playing in the team who can't kick a goal.

Lemmey is not the type to come in and get 20 touches and kick 10.
However, if he gets 5 touches and kicks 2 goals, i'd take that every week.
2 goals a week is 46 goals for the year.....who cares how many possessions he gets, as long as he hits the scoreboard. Somewhere along the line we forgot the main job of forwards is to kick goals. We are so fixated on team defence, that we tell our forwards that defending is #1 priority and we suffer as a result.

FYI, Curnow has only kicked 27 goals from 16 games.....which is less than 2 goals a game.

Charlie's had plenty of shots and kicked a bucket load of points.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #55 – July 18, 2025, 04:45:18 pm

Change the forwards all you like it won't make a difference till we fix the delivery.

Sure our conversion rate has also been poor but it's not like Charlie and TDK have been dropping sitters. We are the worst team in the comp at brining the ball inside 50.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #56 – July 18, 2025, 04:46:47 pm

Second time I have bumped this from Shakin

"Carlton rank last for kicking efficiency, disposal efficiency, overall kick rating and kick rating for kicks going into the forward 50. They are second worst in kick rating for shots at goal."

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #57 – July 18, 2025, 04:50:32 pm

2 year anniversary of us equalling the record of 5 consecutive wins by more than 50pts. Those were the days.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #58 – July 18, 2025, 05:28:59 pm

For all the naysayers about picking Lemmy, at least he'd drag a tall defender from Chuck and provide another marking option which we currently don't have. He wouldn't have to kick too many to exceed the typical combined goal tally of the horde of ground level forwards....Young hasn't scored one at AFL level yet, Moir is a point kicker, Fog can't get a kick, Durdin has been invisible and White in the VFL. Gees Melbourne must be crapping themselves over that bunch....not

Re: AFL Rd 19 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #59 – July 18, 2025, 05:53:48 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 18, 2025, 04:45:18 pm

Change the forwards all you like it won't make a difference till we fix the delivery.

Sure our conversion rate has also been poor but it's not like Charlie and TDK have been dropping sitters. We are the worst team in the comp at brining the ball inside 50.

Now now, I wouldnt go that far.