Carlton Supporters Club

Second time I have bumped this from Shakin

"Carlton rank last for kicking efficiency, disposal efficiency, overall kick rating and kick rating for kicks going into the forward 50. They are second worst in kick rating for shots at goal."

Second time I have bumped this from Shakin

"Carlton rank last for kicking efficiency, disposal efficiency, overall kick rating and kick rating for kicks going into the forward 50. They are second worst in kick rating for shots at goal."

2 year anniversary of us equalling the record of 5 consecutive wins by more than 50pts. Those were the days.

Quote from: laj – on July 18, 2025, 04:50:32 pm

2 year anniversary of us equalling the record of 5 consecutive wins by more than 50pts. Those were the days.

God, those were the days! May they come again soon! But we have to learn how to kick first!

Quote from: madbluboy – on July 18, 2025, 04:46:47 pm

Second time I have bumped this from Shakin

"Carlton rank last for kicking efficiency, disposal efficiency, overall kick rating and kick rating for kicks going into the forward 50. They are second worst in kick rating for shots at goal."

Aint no coach been born to fix that. Having said that, I said many years ago we should have poached Choco Williams to coach our AFLW team where he could run his famous kicking classes. Perhaps we need his servicesfor the mens team.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on July 18, 2025, 05:54:53 pm

Aint no coach been born to fix that. Having said that, I said many years ago we should have poached Choco Williams to coach our AFLW team where he could run his famous kicking classes. Perhaps we need his servicesfor the mens team.

Between the ears, GTC. Players don't lose their abilities, at PP, they do. But all is not lost, it can be reignited but a ruthless confidence will be required... much easier said than done.

Quote from: laj – on July 18, 2025, 04:50:32 pm

2 year anniversary of us equalling the record of 5 consecutive wins by more than 50pts. Those were the days.

God, those were the days! May they come again soon! But we have to learn how to kick first!

Quote from: Baggers – on July 18, 2025, 06:58:56 pm

Between the ears, GTC. Players don't lose their abilities, at PP, they do. But all is not lost, it can be reignited but a ruthless confidence will be required... much easier said than done.

You know Baggers, once upon a time, we were ruthless. Ruthless in our pursuit of premierships. And that ruthless pursuit meant there were expectations, not hope, high exceptions. Those expectations created a culture, a culture where  the players "ran the club" in a way that demanded excellence and the highest of standards. If you weren't up to scratch, you didn't play and didn't last. The list managers and coaches didn't control this, the senior players did. THATS culture. It culminated in a side that virtually coached itself in 1995, the last success we have tasted. Not long after that, there was a deterioration of that culture, the last of "old school" players departed and were replaced by a "new breed". A breed of players who thought because they walked in the doors at PP, they had made it. That was the start of the "entitled" generation. They weren't prepared to work hard, they weren't ruthless. It's that culture that has been handed down for the last few decades and here we are. A group of players that are very happy with themselves and their team mates. They enjoy each others company and the environment which is the Carlton Football Club Bank and Retirement Fund. We accept poor performance after poor performance because they know there are no consequences.
I keep repeating the saying, "to know where you're going you need to know where you've been".  Our players need to learn that culture of ruthlessness in the pursuit of premierships which demanded excellence and the highest of standards from each other. The leaders should be encouraged to push and demand it. Instead when Weiters comes out and offers honest feedback after a poor performance, he gets hauled over the coals for being too honest and forceful. I say more please.

Remember you current players, you are just passing through and are mere custodians and you have a duty to hand it over to the next crop better than what you found it. You need to find a way to "break through to the cycle" as Paulie said and change culture back to what it once was,

Ripper post, GTC!!

I do remember those days, clearly. Started with the ruthless expectations of Barassi in the mid 60s, ended in 2002.

We are old enough to remember players demanding ruthlessness from team mates.

Remember when the players had their Camp Curnow in 2023? What's important about that was it was players only - no coaches. How many games in a row did we not only win, but win big after that! Player driven. Point of this is that we know that they can do it which makes watching the past twelve months even more distressing... And infuriating. Nothing more tragic than watching serious talent and potential being p*ssed down the drain.

Maybe the players should tell the coaches to p*ss off and that they'll select the starting 23 and run the show until the end of the year.

Quote from: Thryleon – on July 18, 2025, 03:21:13 pm

I have no problem selecting Lemmey or not selecting him.

I have a problem with the outrage associated with why/why not.

Its clear as the day is long as to why, you just have to have seen him play footy.  I told you that McMahon > Lemmey.

Thats the Greater than symbol in McMahon's direction.

I get the grade 3 mathematical symbols, thanks.

You've made your stance clear, i get it.

Riddle me this. If his likelyhood of success follows the function y=1/x with x being time (that is, it gets closer to zero the further along you go ) then why does he have a spot on our list?
This year has been by far his best year and its been so much better than previous years. Yes, i've watched him play this year. I have also watched him play years past, which is why i've seen such a big improvement in him this year, so what is the point of having him on a list, if he improves and STILL doesn't get a gig?
Its not like we couldn't find another small forward to put on the list instead of him, as is our way.
He was named as an emergency last week. If he is so far away, why do that??

Honestly, i couldn't give a rats behind if he is on our list next year or not. My issue is our MC fail to do anything remotely progressive and reward good form. Instead, we pick players who had good form, lost it, but now get a game because....why not.
Chances are Lemmey will go goalless for the next 2 weeks, and then get a callup where he will have zero confidence, completely out of form and have zero chance of success....and THAT will be when i say i told you so.

We do the same thing all the time. Ben Campo.....good form....not picked....now can't be picked, but will most likely get a game at the end of the year when he's had no form to speak of.
Last year it was Jaxon Binns. Was in form, lost it, then got a callup.
Year on year its the same. This year, its Lemmey......and to a lesser extent Ben Campo, but at least he's in his first year.

Change the forwards all you like it won't make a difference till we fix the delivery.

Sure our conversion rate has also been poor but it's not like Charlie and TDK have been dropping sitters. We are the worst team in the comp at brining the ball inside 50.

Quote from: kruddler – on July 18, 2025, 04:13:12 pm

I get the grade 3 mathematical symbols, thanks.

You've made your stance clear, i get it.

Riddle me this. If his likelyhood of success follows the function y=1/x with x being time (that is, it gets closer to zero the further along you go ) then why does he have a spot on our list?
This year has been by far his best year and its been so much better than previous years. Yes, i've watched him play this year. I have also watched him play years past, which is why i've seen such a big improvement in him this year, so what is the point of having him on a list, if he improves and STILL doesn't get a gig?
Its not like we couldn't find another small forward to put on the list instead of him, as is our way.
He was named as an emergency last week. If he is so far away, why do that??

Honestly, i couldn't give a rats behind if he is on our list next year or not. My issue is our MC fail to do anything remotely progressive and reward good form. Instead, we pick players who had good form, lost it, but now get a game because....why not.
Chances are Lemmey will go goalless for the next 2 weeks, and then get a callup where he will have zero confidence, completely out of form and have zero chance of success....and THAT will be when i say i told you so.

We do the same thing all the time. Ben Campo.....good form....not picked....now can't be picked, but will most likely get a game at the end of the year when he's had no form to speak of.
Last year it was Jaxon Binns. Was in form, lost it, then got a callup.
Year on year its the same. This year, its Lemmey......and to a lesser extent Ben Campo, but at least he's in his first year.

then how come you missed it the first time?

Again, I'm happy for lemmey to play, I understand why he's not.

In fact the thing you mention about player selection might be the driving reason behind the coach losing his job. 

That being said, I dont see Sam Mitchell dropping James Sicily at the moment, and he has been very so so since he got injured.  Im sure theyve got a young kid in decent form at box hill that could take his spot.

When push comes to shove this is not lemmeys year to shine at Carlton and I dont have the answers, I just know he isnt showing afl level quality in a vfl competition.  Neither was mcmahon. Both have played 1 game respectively.

There's been plenty of players drafted who never fired their shot at afl level.

Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 08:36:15 am

then how come you missed it the first time?

Again, I'm happy for lemmey to play, I understand why he's not.

In fact the thing you mention about player selection might be the driving reason behind the coach losing his job. 

That being said, I dont see Sam Mitchell dropping James Sicily at the moment, and he has been very so so since he got injured.  Im sure theyve got a young kid in decent form at box hill that could take his spot.

When push comes to shove this is not lemmeys year to shine at Carlton and I dont have the answers, I just know he isnt showing afl level quality in a vfl competition.  Neither was mcmahon. Both have played 1 game respectively.

There's been plenty of players drafted who never fired their shot at afl level.

I didn't miss it the first time, just didn't comment on your opinion of the comparison. Given mcmahon is 2 years older, I would expect that to be true. So no point discussing it.

Again, it's not isolated to lemmey, but he highlights a greater issue at th3 club. We fail to rest stars or even average players and play in form kids when the opportunity presents itself.

Last year it was when we were 2nd with no I injuries and daylight behind us. We ran them into the ground and injured them and had nothing to show for it.

This year its while we had plenty of underperfoming / injured stars with very little to play for.....now nothing to play for but are still not giving in form kids a crack.

Look at someone like Geelong. Always introducing inform talented kids and resting about players when the opportunity presents itself.
Why are we so slow to follow this successful path?