Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Lods – on July 28, 2025, 09:29:59 am

That's very true.
It was only a year ago we were flag favourites according to some pundits.
That kind of goes against the idea that we don't play a modern or sustainable style.

In fact the high pressure, contest type of football is one that would probably stand up under finals pressure.
The multiple tackles and pressure on the ball and player will cause what we regard as elite opposition skills to disappear.
For a number of reasons we're just not capable of applying that at present,

If I'm being completely honest? I see SFA difference between the way all teams "play", to my eye the ones that are cleaner with the footy and are a bit quicker across the ground are contenders to win the flag.
Maybe my eye isnt sophisticated enough to decipher nitty gritty tactics employed but CB set up and clearances all look the same, switching from side to side get a different look at entries seem the same, kick outs seem the same, corridor use when its an option seems the same. It all boiles down to how clean and clever you are with the footy by hand and foot, how you take opportunities in front of goal and how well you tackle (how poorly we do this was evident on Thurs night).

Just on tackling, I mentioned how undervalued and underrated it is at our club, I was listening to Corn and Kingy this morning and they were talking about the Crows and their tackling. There was a grab from Nicks' presser and he said how its been "years of work put in". Corn went on to say how he has heard of numbers coming out of their gym work (ie weight they lift) and its off the charts. Its any wonder they tackle so hard, they break tackles well and bully teams around the ground.

Watch how the Crows play and how we play, we are a mile off their skill level and ability to move the ball, they have recruited well pre season unlike us by bringing in Peatling, Cumming and Neil Bullen all of whom were senior ready, mobile and skillful .
Their tackling is just a byproduct of having better players with a deeper list thats balanced with a blend of youth and experience imho..
They have some of the leagues best kids and have flown under the radar with low profile players like Michelanny, Worrall and Curtain who are that skillful, tall and mobile good kicking type who are able to play multiple positions and have the size to over power smaller players like we have on the list.
Im going to disagree on game style.....Voss is still coaching how he did at Brisbane, the comparisons are so similar and he hasnt evolved into the modern era.
I have posted this before but its just so obvious he hasnt progressed  with his senior coaching and is too rigid with with how he wants us to play.
https://www.lions.com.au/news/774029/voss-game-plan-will-take-time

According to Daniel Hoyne via the Kane Cornes/David King show on SEN 75% of the modern game is about ball movement so if you dont have the wheels and cant execute well by foot you cant compete. Add that to only being able to score from clearance in the main means we are just too limited.
King said "we have to get where the game is at now"......which is what I and a few others have been saying all season.

Quote from: Baggers – on July 28, 2025, 08:49:55 am

The last time our group looked dangerous in all aspects of the game was the second half of 2023... After the players meeting (Camp Curnow), minus coaches, the players obviously took ownership over their destiny themselves and rapid change was achieved. Same players, same skills, some important blokes missing but a very different result for the remainder of the season. The players bought into 'their' game plan.

Sloppy execution to moi is a symptom. And what our sloppy execution is a symptom of is for all those in the footy department to ascertain. Inadequate development? Players not buying in to game plan? Injuries to key personnel? Perplexing MC selections? Square pegs/round holes? Other factors like embarrassing Prez shenanigans, key personnel not committing (TDK) and/or other disruptions behind closed doors that we're not aware of? Probably a mix of all these things.

From the cheap seats, it seems to this little black duck that our dreadful results of the past year are symptomatic of a poorly run football department, in toto.

You didnt rate our wins in round 16 and 17 2024?  What about having scored 8.2 by quarter time in round 18 vs GWS?  The problem vs GWS was copping 14 goals in 2 quarters of footy, but we looked good for that patch.

It wasnt that long ago in football terms.  I think a few people are being too down on our season and forget how good we were until the latter part of 2024.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 28, 2025, 05:10:23 pm

According to Daniel Hoyne via the Kane Cornes/David King show on SEN 75% of the modern game is about ball movement so if you dont have the wheels and cant execute well by foot you cant compete. Add that to only being able to score from clearance in the main means we are just too limited.
King said "we have to get where the game is at now"......which is what I and a few others have been saying all season.

Thats fine, but what if we get to where the game isnt?  Will that be better?  Worse?  Or same?

The AFL is one rule tweak away from being an inside contested game again, or perhaps talent dilution will cause it.  I can see it now.  Sorter games, reduced interchange, bigger lists, all of a sudden, how well you move the ball is irrelevant, just as we start playing the modern game.

Perhaps we need to stick to winning the contest, and add a bit of crisper ball movement. 

Agree we are struggling to execute the basic skills of the game. Hard to speculate on why that might be but it's unlikely that our players have been selected for and AFL list without once upon a time being capable of doing that. What is it about our club that causes these skills to desert our players??
Before we can worry too much about tactics or game-plan surely we need to fix our skills execution? Or are these issues intertwined?

According to Daniel Hoyne via the Kane Cornes/David King show on SEN 75% of the modern game is about ball movement so if you dont have the wheels and cant execute well by foot you cant compete. Add that to only being able to score from clearance in the main means we are just too limited.
King said "we have to get where the game is at now"......which is what I and a few others have been saying all season.

We got a lot of frees, but we should have got a lot more. I didn't even see the whole game and I saw so many marks that weren't paid to us and frees that weren't either. As for 50 m penalties, any number of Hawks could stand as close as they liked without being penalized. Amazing!

Quote from: crashlander – on July 24, 2025, 10:23:27 pm

We got a lot of frees, but we should have got a lot more. I didn't even see the whole game and I saw so many marks that weren't paid to us and frees that weren't either. As for 50 m penalties, any number of Hawks could stand as close as they liked without being penalized. Amazing!

Just on the umpires and the free's how does a player with a bloody nose and blood on his arm is allowed to stay on the ground. How? yes the player is a Hawthorn player

Quote from: crashlander – on July 24, 2025, 10:23:27 pm

We got a lot of frees, but we should have got a lot more. I didn't even see the whole game and I saw so many marks that weren't paid to us and frees that weren't either. As for 50 m penalties, any number of Hawks could stand as close as they liked without being penalized. Amazing!

Just on the umpires and the free's how does a player with a bloody nose and blood on his arm is allowed to stay on the ground. How? yes the player is a Hawthorn player