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Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #60
Why is playing walsh dumb?

There's two games left, and if he's going to get hurt, then he'll get hurt, but if he's fit and training, there's no reason not to play him.

These guys are competitors.  They dont want to sit on the sidelines and train.  Training is boring.  You play because you love playing the game, and will be retired a long time when its over. 
He's our Rolls Royce, he's been injured for several weeks, we have zero to play for, he should be focussing on rnd 1 2026 and doing bare minimum now. The preseason is long and hard and he hasn't done a full one in years. He should be in cotton wool right now just ticking the legs over. Just my uneducated opinion, gonna look farken stupid if he re-injures himself in nothing games.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #61
Our line-up:

B:   42 Adam Saad   23 Jacob Weitering   32 Matthew Carroll
HB:   2 Lachlan Cowan  26 Nick Haynes   4 Oliver Hollands
C:   13 Blake Acres   9 Patrick Cripps   18 Sam Walsh
HF:   44 Francis Evans   33 Lewis Young   3 Jesse Motlop
F:   6 Zac Williams   10 Harry McKay   12 Tom De Koning
R:   40 Hudson O'Keeffe   36 Cooper Lord   43 Ashton Moir
Int:   35 Billy Wilson   19 Corey Durdin   45 Flynn Young   8 Lachie Fogarty   29 George Hewett

Em:   27 Marc Pittonet   38 Will White   11 Mitch McGovern

I must admit that when I look at this side I do question how badly we want to win it.
[1] Our defence looks shaky, whether Young plays there or not.
Weitering is not 100% and not moving well against a really good forward in Georgiades, who leads. That is not a great matchup, but what other options do we have?
Not sure who Haynes will match up on.

[2] Our forward line: well, we know that injuries have screwed that up, but Lewis Young at CHF? I'd have played Mitch McGovern in that job. As for the small forwards ... no, I don't want to go there.
White probably needed a week back in the 2's.

[3]Walsh: Much as he is a great player, he hasn't played in 10 weeks. I'd prefer to have him start on the bench on limited minutes.

[4] The last couple of times Sweet had really had it over Tom de Koning. We have Skull as a backup, but that looks questionable.

Hopefully the MC know more than I do, but I hate playing guys who aren't 100%. It is playing with fire.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #62
Why is playing walsh dumb?

There's two games left, and if he's going to get hurt, then he'll get hurt, but if he's fit and training, there's no reason not to play him.

These guys are competitors.  They dont want to sit on the sidelines and train.  Training is boring.  You play because you love playing the game, and will be retired a long time when its over. 

I would generally agree Thry. If we are going to put Walsh in cotton wool for dead rubbers, why not Weitering, why not Cripps etc. Walsh could get injured in pre season training - should be stop him from participating in that ? He could get injured in R1 next season. The scenarios are endless, and I'm not sure exactly where we draw the line.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #63
You don’t draw the line.
He’s been galloping around the training track, so he fit and he plays.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #64
Why is playing walsh dumb?

There's two games left, and if he's going to get hurt, then he'll get hurt, but if he's fit and training, there's no reason not to play him.

These guys are competitors.  They dont want to sit on the sidelines and train.  Training is boring.  You play because you love playing the game, and will be retired a long time when its over. 
He's our Rolls Royce, he's been injured for several weeks, we have zero to play for, he should be focussing on rnd 1 2026 and doing bare minimum now. The preseason is long and hard and he hasn't done a full one in years. He should be in cotton wool right now just ticking the legs over. Just my uneducated opinion, gonna look farken stupid if he re-injures himself in nothing games.

I understand that viewpoint but these are professional athletes who if they're lucky will have a 10 to 15 years playing at this level.  Every game is important to them, and will want to salvage something out of the year.  Walsh turns 25 soon.  He's played 12 games this year, his worst return yet out of 7 seasons. 

You become yesterday's hero very quickly in sport.

The idea that guys play when they arent right is what's wrong.  The coaches will say are you fit or arent you and then figure out who's in the team accordingly. 

As someone who loved playing soccer, the suggestion of a game got the competitive juices flowing and an adrenaline and dopamine hit that I can still feel as I type this, but im 42 and I know my degenerative knee will have me in agony rather than ecstasy and I still feel the call to pull on the boots.  Walking the dogs at the local oval where the kids train occasionally I get the whiff of freshly cut turf and think longingly to my 20's. 

So yeah, he might get hurt.  Or he might end up like motley.  In about 2 weeks, he'll be having 6 months off and won't play again until march. 

If he's right to go its not stupid.  If he isnt that's a different story.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #65
Our line-up:

B:   42 Adam Saad   23 Jacob Weitering   32 Matthew Carroll
HB:   2 Lachlan Cowan  26 Nick Haynes   4 Oliver Hollands
C:   13 Blake Acres   9 Patrick Cripps   18 Sam Walsh
HF:   44 Francis Evans   33 Lewis Young   3 Jesse Motlop
F:   6 Zac Williams   10 Harry McKay   12 Tom De Koning
R:   40 Hudson O'Keeffe   36 Cooper Lord   43 Ashton Moir
Int:   35 Billy Wilson   19 Corey Durdin   45 Flynn Young   8 Lachie Fogarty   29 George Hewett

Em:   27 Marc Pittonet   38 Will White   11 Mitch McGovern

I must admit that when I look at this side I do question how badly we want to win it.
[1] Our defence looks shaky, whether Young plays there or not.
Weitering is not 100% and not moving well against a really good forward in Georgiades, who leads. That is not a great matchup, but what other options do we have?
Not sure who Haynes will match up on.

[2] Our forward line: well, we know that injuries have screwed that up, but Lewis Young at CHF? I'd have played Mitch McGovern in that job. As for the small forwards ... no, I don't want to go there.
White probably needed a week back in the 2's.

[3]Walsh: Much as he is a great player, he hasn't played in 10 weeks. I'd prefer to have him start on the bench on limited minutes.

[4] The last couple of times Sweet had really had it over Tom de Koning. We have Skull as a backup, but that looks questionable.

Hopefully the MC know more than I do, but I hate playing guys who aren't 100%. It is playing with fire.

1/ Not sure what you expect, thats about our best backline that we can put up now. SOS/HOF they won't be options next year. Gov, is probably a 50-50 at this stage. Doc is gone. Saad to maybe go out too. Newman to come back in....thats about it.

2/ Similar. Put Charlie in for Young and thats about our best. Maybe throw Cottrell in.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #66
He's our Rolls Royce, he's been injured for several weeks, we have zero to play for, he should be focussing on rnd 1 2026 and doing bare minimum now. The preseason is long and hard and he hasn't done a full one in years. He should be in cotton wool right now just ticking the legs over. Just my uneducated opinion, gonna look farken stupid if he re-injures himself in nothing games.

I appreciate the sentiment, and I can see where you're coming from. But as I thought through it a little, IMO it seems to create more problems than it solves. At least that's how I see it.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #67
Our line-up:

B:   42 Adam Saad   23 Jacob Weitering   32 Matthew Carroll
HB:   2 Lachlan Cowan  26 Nick Haynes   4 Oliver Hollands
C:   13 Blake Acres   9 Patrick Cripps   18 Sam Walsh
HF:   44 Francis Evans   33 Lewis Young   3 Jesse Motlop
F:   6 Zac Williams   10 Harry McKay   12 Tom De Koning
R:   40 Hudson O'Keeffe   36 Cooper Lord   43 Ashton Moir
Int:   35 Billy Wilson   19 Corey Durdin   45 Flynn Young   8 Lachie Fogarty   29 George Hewett

Em:   27 Marc Pittonet   38 Will White   11 Mitch McGovern

I must admit that when I look at this side I do question how badly we want to win it.
[1] Our defence looks shaky, whether Young plays there or not.
Weitering is not 100% and not moving well against a really good forward in Georgiades, who leads. That is not a great matchup, but what other options do we have?
Not sure who Haynes will match up on.

[2] Our forward line: well, we know that injuries have screwed that up, but Lewis Young at CHF? I'd have played Mitch McGovern in that job. As for the small forwards ... no, I don't want to go there.
White probably needed a week back in the 2's.

[3]Walsh: Much as he is a great player, he hasn't played in 10 weeks. I'd prefer to have him start on the bench on limited minutes.

[4] The last couple of times Sweet had really had it over Tom de Koning. We have Skull as a backup, but that looks questionable.

Hopefully the MC know more than I do, but I hate playing guys who aren't 100%. It is playing with fire.

1/ Not sure what you expect, thats about our best backline that we can put up now. SOS/HOF they won't be options next year. Gov, is probably a 50-50 at this stage. Doc is gone. Saad to maybe go out too. Newman to come back in....thats about it.

2/ Similar. Put Charlie in for Young and thats about our best. Maybe throw Cottrell in.
You're right enough, but I don't have to like it. And I do think that McGovern is a better forward than Lewis Young.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #68
Nothing to be gained by playing Walsh.
He should be resting his foot till preseason starts.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #69
I would have played McGovern and Young as the forwards and put Harry at CHB


It's supposed to bet the fun time of the year when you can do what you like without worrying about it. :D

 

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #70
I wouldn't have played Walsh in a who cares game. Nothing to be gained and being injury prone plenty to lose imo.
I think we will beat Port who have a few out like us and kids who I have never heard of before.
McGovern looks like his tenure at the club is over and can't say I'm disappointed as he has been underwhelming more often than useful.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #71
Not unhappy with the stance on Guv.
Time to move on from the likes of him.
He can't complain, he has been compensated very well for what he has delivered.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #72
Voss says Gov is required. He just has to accept a lot less money.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #73
Voss says Gov is required. He just has to accept a lot less money.
Hess gotten plenty over the journey for much less in return, time to pay us back for the investment.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #74
Nothing to be gained by playing Walsh.
He should be resting his foot till preseason starts.
This is a Carlton perspective.

Not a Walsh perspective.

There are two sides to this discussion, and the ones saying he shouldnt be playing, are the ones thinking we are pushing him out there under done. 

I reckon hes chomping at the bit, and he was first listed as due back round 21.  Its round 23 now.  Hes had a couple of extra weeks.  Would you rather he played VFL?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson