Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: DJC – on August 20, 2025, 06:46:09 pm

Will White and Lucas Camporeale are the ins.

No Gov, no three rucks and TDK will get his name on the locker.  I suspect that he'll look back on that with more pride than the next stage in his footy career.

Not sure I would have given TDK the opportunity to have his name on the locker, the club are very generous.
Dylan Shiel playing his last game for the Bombers after being told DCM.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on August 20, 2025, 06:57:22 pm

Not sure I would have given TDK the opportunity to have his name on the locker, the club are very generous.
Dylan Shiel playing his last game for the Bombers after being told DCM.

Geez we dodged a bullet there (Shiel)!!

Quote from: pinot – on August 20, 2025, 08:21:11 pm

For the love of everything that is good and holy I hope this is the last time I see three small forwards on the bench.

You can’t have too many small forwards … when they’re part of the midfield rotations and playing the high half forward role.

Word is Carroll out with illness, Gov in.......

Quote from: DJC – on August 20, 2025, 09:18:06 pm

You can’t have too many small forwards … when they’re part of the midfield rotations and playing the high half forward role.

Chicken and egg.

Are they part of the midfield rotation because we pick them as midfielders
or
Do they play in the midfield because we can't play 8 of them in the forward line at the same time?

I appreciate the ability of small forward types to be able to run through the midfield when given the chance....Eddie Betts nearly won us a game against Saints when we were tanking with Ratten after Pagan got sacked. He got 2 clearances and set up 2 goals in the space of a couple minutes when thrown into the middle in the last 5 minutes of a game to get us within a goal or 2.
Then we promptly moved him out again.

It has its place.

But i'm not sure we have enough pure midfielders to do anything else.
Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh and Lord would be our top 5 mids. Who is our 6th? (excluding Jagga who's been unavailable)

We have more small/medium forwards than we do mids!

Going off the Senior list website, we list the following as mids:

Cerra, Smith, Cripps, Acres, Docherty, B Camporeale, Walsh, L, Camporeale, Binns, Hewett, Lord, Cottrell.

From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.

IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation.  In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).

Quote from: kruddler – on August 21, 2025, 03:03:39 pm

Chicken and egg.

Are they part of the midfield rotation because we pick them as midfielders
or
Do they play in the midfield because we can't play 8 of them in the forward line at the same time?

I appreciate the ability of small forward types to be able to run through the midfield when given the chance....Eddie Betts nearly won us a game against Saints when we were tanking with Ratten after Pagan got sacked. He got 2 clearances and set up 2 goals in the space of a couple minutes when thrown into the middle in the last 5 minutes of a game to get us within a goal or 2.
Then we promptly moved him out again.

It has its place.

But i'm not sure we have enough pure midfielders to do anything else.
Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh and Lord would be our top 5 mids. Who is our 6th? (excluding Jagga who's been unavailable)

We have more small/medium forwards than we do mids!

Going off the Senior list website, we list the following as mids:

Cerra, Smith, Cripps, Acres, Docherty, B Camporeale, Walsh, L, Camporeale, Binns, Hewett, Lord, Cottrell.

From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.

IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation.  In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).

Quote from: Thryleon – on August 21, 2025, 04:39:07 pm

Going off the Senior list website, we list the following as mids:

Cerra, Smith, Cripps, Acres, Docherty, B Camporeale, Walsh, L, Camporeale, Binns, Hewett, Lord, Cottrell.

From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.

IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation.  In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).

Sorry, i should've been more specific. Mids, not wingers.....and AFL ready mids....not really 1st year players.

Doc is obviously retired.
Acres and Cottrell (and Lucas) are wingers....and i'd add Binns to that. How many center bounces do they attend?

I don't want to get into a whole list management discussion in here. Just highlighting are small forwards play there due to lack of other options....and an abundance of them.

Quote from: kruddler – on August 21, 2025, 05:44:20 pm

Sorry, i should've been more specific. Mids, not wingers.....and AFL ready mids....not really 1st year players.

Doc is obviously retired.
Acres and Cottrell (and Lucas) are wingers....and i'd add Binns to that. How many center bounces do they attend?

I don't want to get into a whole list management discussion in here. Just highlighting are small forwards play there due to lack of other options....and an abundance of them.

yes, but weve used mids on the wing more often than weve used wingers as mids, and our forward brigade are playing high half forward/wing more than attending centre bounce so that kyboshes one of your arguments.

@Djc jack martin wasn't a player for us anyway.  Cunningham was varying degrees of the same and if anyone is mounting an argument for afl capable mids then weve effectively only lost one from last season based on games played (kennedy).  Jack Carroll played mainly forward pocket/high half forward and has zero defensive side to his game.  Weve discarded a lot of players lately but Kennedy aside none have fired a shot at afl level until martin at Geelong and even he's been a small sample size.

That also kyboshes the forwards playing midfield argument

Quote from: Thryleon – on August 21, 2025, 06:01:34 pm

@Djc jack martin wasn't a player for us anyway.  Cunningham was varying degrees of the same and if anyone is mounting an argument for afl capable mids then weve effectively only lost one from last season based on games played (kennedy).  Jack Carroll played mainly forward pocket/high half forward and has zero defensive side to his game.  Weve discarded a lot of players lately but Kennedy aside none have fired a shot at afl level until martin at Geelong and even he's been a small sample size.

That also kyboshes the forwards playing midfield argument

Yes, they were listed as midfielders even though they rarely got on the park. 

In terms of ability and durability, it's Kennedy out (Martin has been played mostly as a defender by Geelong), Lord in, and three others with potential.

Zac Williams stints in the midfield have been very effective this season, more so than when he was tried as a full time mid.  He probably spends more time as a forward than Kennedy does at the Bulldogs, but I would argue that he has been more important to us than Kennedy has for the Doggies.

Moir is another forward who will probably be used more as a midfielder if his cameos to date are any indication.