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Reply #60 –
Quote from: frostydog – on
Maybe, and just a maybe, our 2025 is Richmond's 2016. We know what happened after that.
It's true, that as fans maybe we can't see or won't see the rot for the trees, and perhaps Wright is the arborist.

One of the things I never questioned about Malthouse was how forthright he could be, he always stated Carlton was a very very different club, by that I read that it was upside down, a dog being wagged by the tail, management run by supporters, etc., etc..
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #61 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I find it very hard to believe that Ross Lyon or Steve Silvagni are making any decisions based on revenge. If that's true, the St Kilda fans should absolutely revolt and demand they both be sacked. Appalling lack of professionalism, if true.
Ill bet my left one they are.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #62 –
Neither are friends of Carlton.

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Reply #63 –
Ross Lyon had terrific success at VFL level, can he go the step further, he had several attempts and failed by the slimmest of margins, is the jury is out?

For me there is a world of difference between making finals and winning a flag, one comes from satisfactory management, the other comes from exemplary management mixed with good luck.

Personally, there is nothing in the recent Ross Lyon game plan that has me thinking they could win a flag, in fact late last season it was back to the bad Ross. He does have a system but you need more than that, you need the exceptional and Ross appears to hate exceptions, Roos love robots. He looks like a perennial runner up, and in that case if you are 2nd you might as well be another Nthmond.

But of course if you are there, then there is always the possibility of a Bradbury moment.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #64 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
I find it very hard to believe that Ross Lyon or Steve Silvagni are making any decisions based on revenge. If that's true, the St Kilda fans should absolutely revolt and demand they both be sacked. Appalling lack of professionalism, if true.
Ill bet my left one they are.
You can have my right one to make a pair over that......
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #65 –
Quote from: LP – on
But of course if you are there, then there is always the possibility of a Bradbury moment.

The Bulldogs are a terrific example of that ... and we could have been in 2023  ::)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #66 –
Quote from: DJC – on
The Bulldogs are a terrific example of that ... and we could have been in 2023  ::)
It does need "The Luck" @DJC
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #67 –
Quote from: frostydog – on
Maybe, and just a maybe, our 2025 is Richmond's 2016. We know what happened after that.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/richmond-tigers-end-of-season-report-card/news-story/89e0df08d704a6a6f56af49b9305e153





Thankyou frostydog!

I wanted to make that suggestion but couldn't remember what year it was. I do recall they came up short. Again and again. Then. Bang. They were unbeatable despite some positional issues.

I'm no spring chicken so I hope you're right.

Go Blues
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

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Reply #68 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
How come 17 other teams don't have the same war chest?

Good question!  The TPP rules don’t allow clubs to bank enough savings to cover the largesse SOS is piling on Nas, TDK and whoever else he fancies.  Front- and back-loaded contracts won’t do it either.

There will have to be significant cost cutting, or an AFL blind eye, if St Kilda’s books are to balance.

Despite the reported dinner where players allegedly agreed to take haircuts, managers will be looking for greener fields.

I'm no mathematician but something doesn't quite add up
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

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Reply #69 –
The math ain't mathing as my late father used to say.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #70 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
Quote from: DJC – on


Good question!  The TPP rules don’t allow clubs to bank enough savings to cover the largesse SOS is piling on Nas, TDK and whoever else he fancies.  Front- and back-loaded contracts won’t do it either.

There will have to be significant cost cutting, or an AFL blind eye, if St Kilda’s books are to balance.

Despite the reported dinner where players allegedly agreed to take haircuts, managers will be looking for greener fields.

I'm no mathematician but something doesn't quite add up

IMO, its actually legit.

How many A-graders do the saints have?
How many solid veterans on big coin to they have?
Front load contracts, bank cash every year.
Eventually you've gotta use it.....and oh are they using it.

Rumours had it that TDK gets a 2mil signing bonus up front....and less later.
That ties in with having a war chest you need to spend it before you lose it.

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Reply #71 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: LoveNavy – on


I'm no mathematician but something doesn't quite add up

IMO, its actually legit.

How many A-graders do the saints have?
How many solid veterans on big coin to they have?
Front load contracts, bank cash every year.
Eventually you've gotta use it.....and oh are they using it.

Rumours had it that TDK gets a 2mil signing bonus up front....and less later.
That ties in with having a war chest you need to spend it before you lose it.

Teams can underspend 5% of their TPP and carry it forward.  Is there any evidence that St Kilda had an underspend this season?  We’ll find out early next year.

Regardless of whether they do have savings, and whether TDK, will get an extra $200K next season, they still have to pay close to $4M to two players in 2027.  That’s more than 20% of their TPP on two players.  Even if most of their players were on the minimum, that’s going to be a challenge.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

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Reply #72 –
They're spending has to be legitimate...for the moment.
They've essentially got a neon sign and flashing lights saying "Check our Salary Cap, we're spending some outrageous amounts"

While it may be right for the present, as DJC says it will be a challenge in the future.
Good luck signing NWM at the end of his current contract.

Their planning seems to be based on a flag in a year or two...or bust.
Which is kind of the opposite to the "sustained success that SOS preached while he was with us.
That's what Ross would be after before he walks away...that elusive "Premiership coach" tag.

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Reply #73 –
Quote from: Lods – on
They're spending has to be legitimate...for the moment.
They've essentially got a neon sign and flashing lights saying "Check our Salary Cap, we're spending some outrageous amounts"

While it may be right for the present, as DJC says it will be a challenge in the future.
Good luck signing NWM at the end of his current contract.

Their planning seems to be based on a flag in a year or two...or bust.
Which is kind of the opposite to the "sustained success that SOS preached while he was with us.
That's what Ross would be after before he walks away...that elusive "Premiership coach" tag.
They can forget about keeping NWM after his 2 years. Ross is throwing a Hail Mary trying to buy a premiership before he hands over to Boris.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #74 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


IMO, its actually legit.

How many A-graders do the saints have?
How many solid veterans on big coin to they have?
Front load contracts, bank cash every year.
Eventually you've gotta use it.....and oh are they using it.

Rumours had it that TDK gets a 2mil signing bonus up front....and less later.
That ties in with having a war chest you need to spend it before you lose it.

Teams can underspend 5% of their TPP and carry it forward.  Is there any evidence that St Kilda had an underspend this season?  We’ll find out early next year.

Regardless of whether they do have savings, and whether TDK, will get an extra $200K next season, they still have to pay close to $4M to two players in 2027.  That’s more than 20% of their TPP on two players.  Even if most of their players were on the minimum, that’s going to be a challenge.

I understand how much they are paying in the future, but you need to look at the now and the past first.

We have cripps Charlie harry weiters....some might throw in McGovern, Saad, Williams and cerra.....and then you have tdk. All on huge money to varying degrees.

Do the same thing with the saints. I doubt you'll come up with half that list and even then, it's not to the same extent.
Who are they paying....Marshall? Hill??
Anyone else??

They wouldve been front loading and banking for a few years now. All planning towards this moment.

We saw it with sos while he was with us. Year on year we were throwing cash around. We never could get the players to commit though. He's solved that problem.