Re: Annus horribilis Reply #75 – Today at 07:19:52 am Quote from: Lods – on Today at 06:47:38 amThey're spending has to be legitimate...for the moment.They've essentially got a neon sign and flashing lights saying "Check our Salary Cap, we're spending some outrageous amounts"While it may be right for the present, as DJC says it will be a challenge in the future.Good luck signing NWM at the end of his current contract.Their planning seems to be based on a flag in a year or two...or bust.Which is kind of the opposite to the "sustained success that SOS preached while he was with us.That's what Ross would be after before he walks away...that elusive "Premiership coach" tag.The trick is getting enough talent into the club first.Once it's there, then getting more talent is easier as if you are competitive players will sign for.less and take paycuts on current contracts to get more.talent through the door.They are banking on a steep rise and then loyalty and a desire to keep the group together for success to do the rest later.It's brilliant if it works.In just not sure I would've chosen tdk as part of that resurgence. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #76 – Today at 07:53:39 am I think some here would be shocked at how little the bulk of players make. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #77 – Today at 09:06:49 am I listed a few players that would be on overs.WilkieKingSteeleHigginsHillSinclairMarshallButlerJonesIn terms of front loading they shelled out big bucks for Jake Carlisle way back when and regularly have attracted players over across the journey. Not sure how much front loading you can achieve when you've thrown money at players repeatedly but I suppose it tracks. Every player from another club would be on overs. That doesnt mean their current spend isnt warranted. Its just not a pittance some make out. Clubs that make finals get extra bonuses in their cap. Saints haven't featured more than once in recent years. Even the spuds get overs to change clubs. Are the bulldogs paying mccrae or is he on peanuts too? Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #78 – Today at 09:36:43 am Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 09:06:49 amI listed a few players that would be on overs.WilkieKingSteeleHigginsHillSinclairMarshallButlerJonesIn terms of front loading they shelled out big bucks for Jake Carlisle way back when and regularly have attracted players over across the journey. Not sure how much front loading you can achieve when you've thrown money at players repeatedly but I suppose it tracks. Every player from another club would be on overs. That doesnt mean their current spend isnt warranted. Its just not a pittance some make out. Clubs that make finals get extra bonuses in their cap. Saints haven't featured more than once in recent years. Even the spuds get overs to change clubs. Are the bulldogs paying mccrae or is he on peanuts too?Carlisle retired 4 years ago, what the hell has that got to do with anything now??Wilkie is on about what we are offering jack which is why he's in the craps.Ditto Steele.King is signed up for the next 7 years and you get that at a huge discount.Marshall is on less than half what tdk is getting which is why he'll leave.Despite all of that, none come close to the contracts of any of the players i mentioned from us....and yhe others you list are on less again.So how can we be under the cap, with 2mil to spend and they not be able to pay the same? Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #79 – Today at 09:52:49 am We're only under the cap because TdK and Jack have $#@ed off and the contracts of overpaid spuds like McG have run out and they're they're being shifted onto smaller biccies commensurate with their output. We also drafted a lot of kids last year and other than Haynes didn't trade in. Other blokes were/are being let go once contracts end....Fantasia, Owies, Cincotta etc etcI agree with Thry, none of sniffers players listed are on base payments, even at the mooted 800 K for Hill and King ("cheap rates" supposedly) there's no way the average across the playing group gives them this huge buffer in the cap. No way. The math ain't mathing.That's why they want to ditch Steele (on big coin) and screw Windhager. It's bluffing with a pair. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #80 – Today at 10:17:32 am Steele is another with a big front ended contract, on peanuts now...Saints have upped their offer to Windhagar and he looks like staying. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #81 – Today at 10:20:19 am Quote from: Professer E – on Today at 09:52:49 amWe're only under the cap because TdK and Jack have $#@ed off and the contracts of overpaid spuds like McG have run out and they're they're being shifted onto smaller biccies commensurate with their output. We also drafted a lot of kids last year and other than Haynes didn't trade in. Other blokes were/are being let go once contracts end....Fantasia, Owies, Cincotta etc etcI agree with Thry, none of sniffers players listed are on base payments, even at the mooted 800 K for Hill and King ("cheap rates" supposedly) there's no way the average across the playing group gives them this huge buffer in the cap. No way. The math ain't mathing.That's why they want to ditch Steele (on big coin) and screw Windhager. It's bluffing with a pair.We could afford to offer 1.8 mil for 2 players already on our list, on top of all the 1mil-ish players we already have and all the overpaid players we already have.Its really not that hard.The bigger question is how someone like Tigers, West Coast, North are getting anywhere near the minimum of the cap with the crap they have. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #82 – Today at 10:42:27 am Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on Today at 10:17:32 amSteele is another with a big front ended contract, on peanuts now...Saints have upped their offer to Windhagar and he looks like staying.Steele has always been on shaky ground with Ross. When Ross arrived, he told Steele and Ross (I think) that they both needed to drop weight and cover the ground better. He has had an average year and finished off as the sub. Interesting to see what they do with him moving forward.Liam Henry has dropped off the radar. Looked good towards the end of 2024 and late this year Collard was preferred to him. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #83 – Today at 11:31:05 am Another on reasonable coin (because he was lured out) who'll get the flick for cap relief. You'd get him for a fourth rounder. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #84 – Today at 12:14:56 pm Quote from: kruddler – on Today at 09:36:43 amQuote from: Thryleon – on Today at 09:06:49 amI listed a few players that would be on overs.WilkieKingSteeleHigginsHillSinclairMarshallButlerJonesIn terms of front loading they shelled out big bucks for Jake Carlisle way back when and regularly have attracted players over across the journey. Not sure how much front loading you can achieve when you've thrown money at players repeatedly but I suppose it tracks. Every player from another club would be on overs. That doesnt mean their current spend isnt warranted. Its just not a pittance some make out. Clubs that make finals get extra bonuses in their cap. Saints haven't featured more than once in recent years. Even the spuds get overs to change clubs. Are the bulldogs paying mccrae or is he on peanuts too?Carlisle retired 4 years ago, what the hell has that got to do with anything now??Wilkie is on about what we are offering jack which is why he's in the craps.Ditto Steele.King is signed up for the next 7 years and you get that at a huge discount.Marshall is on less than half what tdk is getting which is why he'll leave.Despite all of that, none come close to the contracts of any of the players i mentioned from us....and yhe others you list are on less again.So how can we be under the cap, with 2mil to spend and they not be able to pay the same?jeez mate, its not hard to work out. They've paid big for him, and they had their current players wouldnt be on peanuts. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #85 – Today at 12:26:52 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 12:14:56 pmQuote from: kruddler – on Today at 09:36:43 amCarlisle retired 4 years ago, what the hell has that got to do with anything now??Wilkie is on about what we are offering jack which is why he's in the craps.Ditto Steele.King is signed up for the next 7 years and you get that at a huge discount.Marshall is on less than half what tdk is getting which is why he'll leave.Despite all of that, none come close to the contracts of any of the players i mentioned from us....and yhe others you list are on less again.So how can we be under the cap, with 2mil to spend and they not be able to pay the same?jeez mate, its not hard to work out. They've paid big for him, and they had their current players wouldnt be on peanuts.So you reject the logical explanation and lean towards the conspiracy theory as the most likely explanation?Yeah, nah. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #86 – Today at 02:27:13 pm Saints must have managed their list well with money still available to chase Ryan, Aleer,Mckenzie and Flanders. A lot of it seems to have been front ended with their present playing list hence they are in a position to have this war chest to attack the trade period.You can criticise who SOS has picked over the years but he does manipulate his draft hand well turning picks into more picks and now seems to be ahead of the game how he has managed the money and one thing that hasnt been discussed is how he has timed his buying spree during what is a perceived weak draft which is smart. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #87 – Today at 02:50:07 pm Quote from: kruddler – on Today at 12:26:52 pmQuote from: Thryleon – on Today at 12:14:56 pmjeez mate, its not hard to work out. They've paid big for him, and they had their current players wouldnt be on peanuts.So you reject the logical explanation and lean towards the conspiracy theory as the most likely explanation?Yeah, nah.who said i rejected anything? Im answering a question about who they might be paying. Quote Selected
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #88 – Today at 02:54:48 pm Quote from: Gointocarlton – on Today at 07:12:50 amQuote from: Lods – on Today at 06:47:38 amThey're spending has to be legitimate...for the moment.They've essentially got a neon sign and flashing lights saying "Check our Salary Cap, we're spending some outrageous amounts"While it may be right for the present, as DJC says it will be a challenge in the future.Good luck signing NWM at the end of his current contract.Their planning seems to be based on a flag in a year or two...or bust.Which is kind of the opposite to the "sustained success that SOS preached while he was with us.That's what Ross would be after before he walks away...that elusive "Premiership coach" tag.They can forget about keeping NWM after his 2 years. Ross is throwing a Hail Mary trying to buy a premiership before he hands over to Boris.Looks like that to me as well. Not that I'd have any real idea. Nor do I give a toss about Mr sleezy 🤢 Quote Selected 1 Likes
Re: Annus horribilis Reply #89 – Today at 04:24:14 pm Quote from: madbluboy – on Today at 07:53:39 amI think some here would be shocked at how little the bulk of players make.Hence why GW was shocked at the imbalance of our list (salary wise). Quote Selected