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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #75 –
Quote from: dodge – on
Obviously, a 76 year old is vulnerable, but shouldn't be the driver for outrage.  Yes, she will be affected in several different ways which may make her life difficult (eg fear of going out, recurring flashbacks, general feeling of being unsafe in her own home etc). 

We have gone through several times on the site about solutions - prevention and rehab programs, stronger initial penalties and stronger consequences for broken penalties eg bail.

Then it is about funding and real effectiveness of these solutions - jail can be school to become a less worse crook.

The new Chief seems to be strong on prevention - more police presence on the streets and education.  Be interesting to see the effect of the new bail laws that have just come into operation - I don't know what they are.

This all takes time.  It won't be solved tomorrow. 

Will it make a difference?  Dunno.  Youth crime seems to be much more brazen now - offenders don't care if there are alarms or cameras, whether it is 3am or 3pm, who sees them, whether there is anyone home etc.  It will take time to turn this around.

The Liberal policy seems to be Jack's law (greater search powers on the street), rehab (school, post offending programs, mentoring), and if bail is broken, a holiday courtesy of the King is awaiting.  Cynical me thinks that this won't make much difference and is a long way in the future.

Curious as to what it actually was or is that lead to the current situation - knowing what it is can help lead to the solution.
1. Organised crime gangs using youths to do the dirty work, mainly stealing high end cars to be used in subsequent crimes. They use kids because they know when they get caught, they are immediately released over and over again.
2. Youth Gangs - Imbeciles here copying the US gang culture, it's stepped up to another level (in both prevalence and level of violence) compared to what it was in years gone by.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
From the HS
‘We need more prisons’: Pat, 76, woke with armed thugs inside her Brighton home
A brave Brighton grandmother has described the moment she confronted two knife-wielding men inside her loungeroom in the latest Bayside home invasion — and issued a plea for the state to get the crime crisis under control.

A 76 year old lady, come on guys. This farken beyond a joke now.

But nah, Jacinta says it's all good, nothing to see here Pat. Get back in your box.
Not a huge fan of Bec Judd but she was right pointing to a crime wave that had hit those wealthy bayside suburbs a couple of years ago and was calling for more police action. Dan Andrews dismissed her fears and it led to more private security firms being employed to look after those affected areas and it has that Sth African feel to it with their gated communities and clearly residents are having to take matters into their own hands which never ends well and if you want to live in those wealthy areas security is going to be an added cost unfortunately.
When violence is used and weapons involved then Im calling that adult crimes are deserving of adult time in jail...yep more jails required unfortunately.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #77 –
While I'm  bit reluctant to go here it is important....

There is often a reluctance to discuss ethnicity in terms of young offenders.
Personally I see that reluctance as a barrier to solutions.
The problem is some use it to demonise a group, but the issues of adaption to a completely different culture are extremely difficult for some young people, especially those exposed to the horrors in their countries of origin.

We often try to downplay that cultural aspect for political correctness, when it is at the heart of the issue.
And the support and positive role models of elder members of that ethnic group can have a much greater impact than those enforcing rules and laws.

Youngsters, especially those with different cultural backgrounds tend to bond to like peers.
I've spoken before about 'cultural waves' of different ethnic backgrounds in juvenile detention centres over the years and how they peak with immigration trends and then dissipate as that community settles and adapts.

Any solutions must include a total input from all stakeholders.
It takes a village to raise a child.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #78 –
Some punk tried to break into my mum's 2 hours ago.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #79 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Some punk tried to break into my mum's 2 hours ago.
Sorry to hear that MBB, hope she is ok and not too traumatized. Sad when older folk are not safe in their own home and when the system is weighted in favour of the punks it's not going to get any better as most of us know now.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #80 –
He was spooked by the ring camera and was trying to cover his face and open the door at the same time. Mum was delayed in looking at her phone by about 5 minutes as she was asleep so he was long gone. Hopefully sometime soon he gets into the wrong house.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #81 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
He was spooked by the ring camera and was trying to cover his face and open the door at the same time. Mum was delayed in looking at her phone by about 5 minutes as she was asleep so he was long gone. Hopefully sometime soon he gets into the wrong house.

I must confess, MBB, that I find myself really angered by what your mum had to endure. And other older folks in our community confronted by similar. When a society cannot care for its aged and infirmed (and children) properly, there is a major problem.

If the state govt doesn't come good with an increased police presence, and knowing how ex military folks think, we may well see vigilante groups pop up.
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #82 –
More low life filth polluting our once great state
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #83 –
The major problem with law enforcement is that the only time you come across any component of it its in the form of a stationary speed camera parked on the side of the road in an suv.

Beyond that you'll see some psa's but there arent enough cops on the street to be a visual deterrent. 

Add a growing gap between the have and have nots.  The young people have nothing to aspire to.  What are they working for?  Home ownership?  Good luck.  They might be able to buy something somewhere far 50kms from the cbd.  Careers?  They'll spend their life commuting to go to work in a job they probably dont like (like the rest of us really, but at least we dont have a 2 hour commute in one direction to get there).  Thats not to condone what is happening but all of a sudden a life of crime might actually be more fun. 

Those moaning about our once great state as well, might want to have a think about how far away from Melbourne previous generations were situated.  Now its beyond far.  Go out to officer, mickleham, past Caroline Springs.  Its not like what hawthorn used to be ten minutes from Toorak and south Yarra.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #84 –
I don't wish to detract from the awful experience MBB's mother endured.  It must have been terrifying and the scumbag should be dealt with very harshly.  I just want to raise another example of lawlessness that could have had tragic consequences.

Grubb Road runs from Ocean Grove to Drysdale and runs through residential areas, industrial and retail zones, and agricultural land.  It is two lanes, has intersections with traffic lights, roundabouts and stop and give way signs and the speed limit varies from 50-80kph depending on the surroundings.  It is a busy road and always has a constant stream of traffic in both directions.  I travel on it almost daily.

Police recently observed a Haval Jolion travelling at 82kph in a 60kph zone on Grubb Road.  When the police attempted to pull the Haval over, the driver sped off, reaching a top speed of 144kph in the 80kph zone.  The Haval overtook when unsafe and forced oncoming traffic to take evasive action.

The driver was apprehended and has been charged on summons for driving at a dangerous speed, dangerous driving while being pursued by police as well as other traffic offenses. The driver was a woman in her twenties.

Apart from the utter disregard for the safety of other motorists and the futility of attempting to flee after a traffic infringement - particularly in a Haval Jolion - exceeding the speed limit by 60kph should incur an immediate 12 month automatic license suspension.  Perhaps this did happen and the summons is to address the other serious traffic infringements but I really don't want to share the road with this irresponsible moron ... ever!
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Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #85 –
I'm tired of excuses for perpetrators.  Break into a property.....castle law.  Drive 60 km over the speed limit....do time.  No more excuses, no more touchy feely bullcrap.  If you can't take responsibility for your actions, face real consequences.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #86 –
Worst part of speeding is, time it wrong amd you get a fine.  I got one recently cost 300 dollars for 54 in a 50 zone on a road that used to be 60.  Stationary 4wd, Saturday night 11.30pm on the way home.  No excuse, but I was on the way home from dinner and Bolton Street is the only stretch thats 50km from templestowe to Diamond Creek road.  Used to be 60km.  Less of this please.  Not helpful to anyone but the government purse.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #87 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Worst part of speeding is, time it wrong amd you get a fine.  I got one recently cost 300 dollars for 54 in a 50 zone on a road that used to be 60.  Stationary 4wd, Saturday night 11.30pm on the way home.  No excuse, but I was on the way home from dinner and Bolton Street is the only stretch thats 50km from templestowe to Diamond Creek road.  Used to be 60km.  Less of this please.  Not helpful to anyone but the government purse.
Used to live near there and Bolton St was and still is a farce. After years of squabbling between Nillumbik and State it was finally revamped over a very long period of time for no improvement imo and the 50 limit remains.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #88 –
Standard of driving in Melbourne has got worse, everyday you drive to are having to think ahead, anticipate poor driving and be over cautious . Nearly got hit in a roundabout today carrying one of my grandsons by an Nissan  X Trail that didn't stop and just plowed through at speed.
Parking is my other gripe, why can't people park in the bay between the lines instead of on the line or encroaching on the other bay.

Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Reply #89 –
Like the lying Dictator before her Jacinta is not willing to listen or acknowledge anything is wrong despite the statistics clearly showing how bad things are getting across the state on majority of the important issues such as the souring crime rates amongst our youth.

They closed Malmsbury youth justice centre 2 years ago and now are forced to re-opening it yet when quizzed they said 'it was the correct decision 2 years ago to close it and its the correct decision now to re open it'  

Very sad state of affairs we are forced to live in when you have such incompetent so called 'leaders' in power.