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Where Will The Goals Come From in 2014 ??

One of my favourites annual topics, looking to see where we are going to get our goals from this season.

If we use a rule of thumb that you need to kick 15-goals in 50% of your matches and 20-goals in the other 50% of your matches to win more than you lose, we need to snag 385 goals in a season to be successful.

So, who is going to responsible for making a contribution ??

Garlett - 25
Kruezer & Warmock - 15
Tuohy - 10



 
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Re: Where Will The Goals Come From in 2014 ??

Reply #1 –
Give Daisy a lazy 20 odd and Hendo to bag another 20 ;)
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Reply #2 –
Hendo 50
Garlett 40
Waite 35
Menzel 20
Murphy 20
Casboult 15

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Reply #3 –
Main contributors (25 to 50 goal range):

Walker (think he'll play forward this year)
Henderson
Waite
Garlett


Lesser contributors (more than 10, less than 25):

Murphy
Gibbs
Judd
Robinson
Yarran (think he'll play back)
McLean
Thomas
Carrazzo


Snag one or two every now and again:

Menzel
Simpson
Kreuzer
Warnock
Armfield
Bell
Everitt
Rowe
Casboult
Tuohy
Ellard


Snag one rarely:

Buckley
Lucas
Watson
Docherty
Temay
Bootsma
McInnes
Graham
Curnow
Jamison
White
Cripps
Giles
Holman
All rookies



Can I guess how many opposition goals will come from torp kick ins that get turned over just outside 50?

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Reply #4 –
Waite - 35
Henderson - 30
Casboult - 20
Menzel - 30
Garlett - 40
Kreuzer - 15
Warnock - 15
Rowe - 15
Walker 20
Touhy - 15
Gibbs - 25
Murphy - 25
Judd - 25
Thomas - 20
Yarran - 15
Armfield - 15
Everitt - 15
Mclean - 10
Carrazzo - 10
Watson - 10
Lucas - 10
The rest - 20


Just for reference !!

2013 Carlton Total Goals Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
Rank   Name   Games   Total
1   Jeff Garlett   22   43
2   Eddie Betts   18   27
2   Jarrad Waite   14   27
4   Lachlan Henderson   24   26
4   Christopher Yarran   21   26
6   Marc Murphy   23   18
7   Dennis Armfield   24   17
8   Brock McLean   22   15
9   Zach Tuohy   24   13
10   Chris Judd   20   11
10   Bryce Gibbs   21   11
10   Mitch Robinson   21   11
13   Kane Lucas   17   9
13   Sam Rowe   10   9
15   Matthew Kreuzer   17   8
15   Troy Menzel   7   8
17   Andrew Walker   23   7
17   Levi Casboult   11   7
19   Edward Curnow   21   6
19   Kade Simpson   24   6
21   Heath Scotland   20   5
22   Tom Bell   9   4
22   Nicholas Duigan   5   4
24   Shaun Hampson   6   3
25   Matthew Watson   5   2
25   Joshua Bootsma   9   2
27   Robert Warnock   12   1
27   Jaryd Cachia   14   1
27   Andrew McInnes   8   1
27   Andrew Carrazzo   10   1
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Re: Where Will The Goals Come From in 2014 ??

Reply #5 –
It's an area I don't worry about too much as long as you've got quality forwards... yeah, I know, seem bleed'n' obvious. But not so. We have won Premierships without numerous dominant forwards... so have other clubs (Fluffy Ducks being the best example). We had a FF who could kick 100+ but didn't get near top 4 with him.

You do need at least two really good talls (not neccessarily 100+ goal kickers) and quality support. We played most of 2013 with only 1 quality tall forward - either Waite or Hendo, with the occasional cameo from Casboult.

This is why, as many have noted, that Watson is so important to us in 2014. A fit Waite and Hendo as the two tall forwards will be a huge headache for opposition sides. And if each kicked 30+ goals, we're looking good. We also need resting ruckmen to contribute (collectively) about 50 goals. Smalls and mids to do the rest. Gonna be a challenge, but the guys are there.
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Reply #6 –
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We also need resting ruckmen to contribute (collectively) about 50 goals.

And then you woke up?

 :o ;)
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Reply #7 –
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We also need resting ruckmen to contribute (collectively) about 50 goals.

And then you woke up?

 :o ;)

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Reply #8 –
Is it fair to say that believing a duo that's kicked 9 goals last year and 70 in their entire careers won't kick 50 in a year is cynical?  Even if you add casboult/rowe in the mix.

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Reply #9 –
I can't believe that people are suggesting our players are just going to magically double or treble the number of goals they kick compared to last year.   :o
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Reply #10 –
Quote from: TheSheik – on
I can't believe that people are suggesting our players are just going to magically double or treble the number of goals they kick compared to last year.   :o

If they kick straight this will be true.
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Re: Where Will The Goals Come From in 2014 ??

Reply #11 –
We were within 50 points of all teams bar Hawks and Cats as far as points scored in the H & A went. We scored more points than Freo.

Points against was our downfall e.g. Freo 1518 (#1), Carlton 1992 (yet even the Hawks had 1859 pts. scored against them).

If we are to contend our mids need to improve defensively. Our rucks tapping to advantage might help too!  ;)

It's as simple as that really.
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Reply #12 –
Quote from: ItsOurTime – on
Is it fair to say that believing a duo that's kicked 9 goals last year and 70 in their entire careers won't kick 50 in a year is cynical?  Even if you add casboult/rowe in the mix.

We have about 4 ruckman in toto. So the chances of playing blokes 'in form' has improved.

If each ruckman on any given day kicks just 1 goal, that's 2 for the game. That brings rucking stocks closer to a 50 goal contribution for the year. Might only end up being 34 in reality but that is heading in the right direction. 1 goal per game contribution from each ruckman per game is an expectation they should have.

I'd rather measure and set expectations on what can be rather than measure against last year's dismal contribution, and hence be satisfied with 12 goals from the lot of them... hell, that'd be a 25% improvement! Setting 50 for the year should be out there... should seem way too high. Hell, no-one ever achieved great things with beige/modest expectations.
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Reply #13 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I'd rather measure and set expectations on what can be rather than measure against last year's dismal contribution, and hence be satisfied with 12 goals from the lot of them... hell, that'd be a 25% improvement! Setting 50 for the year should be out there... should seem way too high. Hell, no-one ever achieved great things with beige/modest expectations.

From an individual's perspective, giving them a lofty goal is great (although it will be demotivating if it's unreachable).

From a team's perspective, planning on ruckmen who have kicked 70 goals in their entire career to kick 50 in a year is probably asking for trouble. May as well ask for 50 goals from our half back line while we're at it. Yarran's kicked 3 from back there, so 2 per game from 3 players should be no issue.

Do any team's rucking combination get to 50 goals BTW?

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Reply #14 –
I'd be looking for our resting rucks to kick a goal a game between them. If there is a ruckman permanently resting forward, then 2 goals a game between them.
If Kreuzer plays 75% game time in a forward pocket as a 3rd tall, I could easily see him kick 25+ in a season.
If Warnock could add 10+, then IMO that's a pretty good contribution from our rucks
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