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Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #75 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
Not sure if you've read these very forums, but i can understand where the pressure is coming from because many around here think we've improved our list in the off-season.

If those same people make enough noise when things go bad, then it gets really bad really quickly.

My issue is not opinions on here. My issue is a certain cadre of individuals in the media who talk sh1t. The default position for any Carlton coach is the rotisserie, even if we recruit a bunch of U10's from around the corner. One hopes the club can adjust expectations accordingly, either up or down, in way that fairly represents our position, not this "no excuses" crap.

Yeah, i get that, but where do the media get this from? The see it games, they hear it on talkback radio, they see it on social media.

We start it, they broadcast it, we continue it, they enhance it.....

Far be it from me to stick up for the media, but they do it with Carlton because Carlton does it to itself.

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #76 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: PaulP – on


My issue is not opinions on here. My issue is a certain cadre of individuals in the media who talk sh1t. The default position for any Carlton coach is the rotisserie, even if we recruit a bunch of U10's from around the corner. One hopes the club can adjust expectations accordingly, either up or down, in way that fairly represents our position, not this "no excuses" crap.

Yeah, i get that, but where do the media get this from? The see it games, they hear it on talkback radio, they see it on social media.

We start it, they broadcast it, we continue it, they enhance it.....

Far be it from me to stick up for the media, but they do it with Carlton because Carlton does it to itself.

You're right.
They do get a lot from social media and talkback forums.
Because of our supporter numbers we may get a bit more airtime on talkback.
But if you have a look at the various club forums (bigfooty club boards are a good example) it's pretty obvious that we're not Robinson Crusoe when it comes to Club criticism.
All supporters do it.
The other thing is we're probably the club that attracts more criticism from opposition supporters than any other club by a big margin. They like to kick us while we're struggling.


Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #77 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Yeah, i get that, but where do the media get this from? The see it games, they hear it on talkback radio, they see it on social media.

We start it, they broadcast it, we continue it, they enhance it.....

Far be it from me to stick up for the media, but they do it with Carlton because Carlton does it to itself.

You're right.
They do get a lot from social media and talkback forums.
Because of our supporter numbers we may get a bit more airtime on talkback.
But if you have a look at the various club forums (bigfooty club boards are a good example) it's pretty obvious that we're not Robinson Crusoe when it comes to Club criticism.
All supporters do it.
The other thing is we're probably the club that attracts more criticism from opposition supporters than any other club by a big margin. They like to kick us while we're struggling.

Yes and no.

As a general rule, Carlton supporters are more passionate.
I think that largely comes down to our ethnic background which is/was unique to Carlton, the suburb, and has continued on.

I can say this, because i am one, but generally wogs/Italians barrack for Carlton.....well more likely to barrack for Carlton.
Its certainly not limited to that ethnicity, but club support is generational and thats our history. Italians are also known for their passion. Thus Carlton are 'slightly different' to other teams.
I'm not sure if that translates to those 'north of the border' like yourself, but its definitely a thing down here.

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #78 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


You're right.
They do get a lot from social media and talkback forums.
Because of our supporter numbers we may get a bit more airtime on talkback.
But if you have a look at the various club forums (bigfooty club boards are a good example) it's pretty obvious that we're not Robinson Crusoe when it comes to Club criticism.
All supporters do it.
The other thing is we're probably the club that attracts more criticism from opposition supporters than any other club by a big margin. They like to kick us while we're struggling.

Yes and no.

As a general rule, Carlton supporters are more passionate.
I think that largely comes down to our ethnic background which is/was unique to Carlton, the suburb, and has continued on.

I can say this, because i am one, but generally wogs/Italians barrack for Carlton.....well more likely to barrack for Carlton.
Its certainly not limited to that ethnicity, but club support is generational and thats our history. Italians are also known for their passion. Thus Carlton are 'slightly different' to other teams.
I'm not sure if that translates to those 'north of the border' like yourself, but its definitely a thing down here.

Hard to say for sure.
I remember years ago there was a figure that 20% of our members lived outside of either Melbourne or Victoria (not sure which) but that was a while ago, and the club doesn't appear to give a breakdown of the different numbers in membership categories these days.

What is apparent is that support for the club is nationwide.
That used to be obvious at Swans games when they first went to Sydney, and again when I went to a game on the Gold Coast a few years back.
There was just as many people in Carlton jumpers as there were in the jumpers of the home teams.
Back in the day the only vision many states got of AFL was a 'match of the day' each week.
It was a golden era for us and we'd feature more than any club in those games most years.
That may have done something for our interstate popularity.

I'm always surprised when I ask who people support and the answer comes back ...Carlton.
Just on this forum I suspect if you took a survey of where folks lived it would be surprising how many live out of Melbourne or intersate.
I can think of quite a few without even trying too hard.

Anyway back to the fight. :D

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Reply #79 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Not really, it's on the money, Voss has to achieve more with less and Wright has left him as the fall guy by not extending him causing that extra pressure.
No one is buying that losing TDK, Jack and Charlie has made us better and its all about the optics of Carlton not sacking another coach to make the  club looking like it's changed it's ways but it's going to be a mammoth task for Voss to survive.

We lost an athletic ruckman with potential, a dual Coleman Medalist who was playing like he didn’t give a toss and an injury-prone, slow defender with all of 12 games as a KPD under his belt.  Only Tom was part of our late season return to form.  We’ve more than covered their loss with blokes who want to play for the club and give us greater depth, versatility and goal scoring ability.

We’ve brought in experienced assistants with new ideas, a director of coaching to wrangle the assistants, and Travis Boak to take a dedicated leadership and culture role.  Voss has more support than ever and a better list than he had last season.

Don’t forget that everyone has returned to pre season fitter than they’ve ever been… 🙄
Let’s go BIG !

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #80 –
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1937622/an-inner-sanctum-look-inside-the-2025-telstra-afl-draft?videoId=1937622&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1764491712001&fbclid=IwVERDUAOZCdxleHRuA2FlbQIxMABzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAwzNTA2ODU1MzE3MjgAAR4q4sOq5mBEuiWH4gmxWbi1Ho0T8tar-0dD8U6mou4Vi1R16U9Vi5qVuw2I7w_aem_Ws7WV5MylI9VZAiVhdPNWQ

Great to watch, amd highlights a little of how difficult it is to scenario plan with variables in play.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #81 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1937622/an-inner-sanctum-look-inside-the-2025-telstra-afl-draft?videoId=1937622&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1764491712001&fbclid=IwVERDUAOZCdxleHRuA2FlbQIxMABzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAwzNTA2ODU1MzE3MjgAAR4q4sOq5mBEuiWH4gmxWbi1Ho0T8tar-0dD8U6mou4Vi1R16U9Vi5qVuw2I7w_aem_Ws7WV5MylI9VZAiVhdPNWQ

Great to watch, amd highlights a little of how difficult it is to scenario plan with variables in play.
Great stuff. Awesome to have Wright overseeing this stuff, his smarts and knowledge in list management and the draft cannot be underestimated.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #82 –
Good to see who actually does the grunt work and calls the shots.

Wright and Davies were observers, as they should be.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #83 –
As expected, they had their plan and pulled it off.
Just not sure it's the right plan

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #84 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
As expected, they had their plan and pulled it off.
Just not sure it's the right plan


There's a room of experience that disagrees with you. :D

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #86 –
How many of those in the room were there decades ago?

 

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #87 –
Quote from: Lods – on
How many of those in the room were there decades ago?

Fine, look at the last couple years then

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #88 –
You mean the injury hit 2024 and the injury/off field disaster of 2025
Jagga Smith, Harry O'Farrell, the Camporeale boys.
Dean and Ison this year, and loading up for Cody Walker next year.
I'm pretty happy with the last couple of years of recruitment.

Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat

Reply #89 –
Quote from: Lods – on
You mean the injury hit 2024 and the injury/off field disaster of 2025
Jagga Smith, Harry O'Farrell, the Camporeale boys.
Dean and Ison this year, and loading up for Cody Walker next year.
I'm pretty happy with the last couple of years of recruitment.

Campo boys are good because they are father/sons.
Similarly with Dean and Ison. We took them because they were ours.
Jagga  is fine, but i would've preferred a different midfielder and a KPP instead of the trading up we did.
HOF is fine
No mention of anyone else? Why?
The 6 small(er) forwards we've taken over that period paint a different picture.

Fantasia, Evans, White, Young, Ainsworth and Byrne....when we already had Williams, Cottrell, Fogarty, Motlop, Durdin, E.Hollands, Moir to do a similar role.

Variety is the spice of life.
Variety builds a successful team.
We are not successful.
We've gone backwards since we made the prelim......and lets not forget how many injuries we had in that prelim year as well.