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Who is the best 5 bench players to go with the existing lineup below?

*** currently vacant
*****Backline group*****2 - Lachie Cowan
3 - Jesse Motlop
4 - Oliver Hollands
*****Midfield group*****5 - Adam Cerra
*****Forwards group*****6 - Zac Williams
*****Midfield group*****7 - Jagga Smith
8 - Lachie Fogarty
*****Midfield group*****9 - Patrick Cripps
*****Forwards group*****10 - Harry McKay
11 - Mitch McGovern
*****Forwards group*****12 - Ben Ainsworth
13 - Blake Acres
14 - Ollie Florent
15 - Billy Wilson
16 - Ben Camporeale
*****Forwards group*****17 - Brodie Kemp
*****Midfield group*****18 - Sam Walsh
*****Forwards group*****19 - Will Hayward
***20 - Elijah Hollands - currently not on our list
21 - Lucas Camporeale
*****Backline group*****22 - Harry O'Farrell
*****Backline group*****23 - Jacob Weitering
*****Backline group*****24 - Nick Newman
25 - Liam Reidy
*****Backline group*****26 - Nick Haynes
*****Midfield group*****27 - Marc Pittonet
28 - Harry Charleson
*****Midfield group*****29 - George Hewitt
30 - Jack Ison
31 - Campbell Chesser
32 - Matthew Carroll
33 - Lewis Young
34 - Rob Monahan
35 - Harry Dean
36 - Cooper Lord
37 - Jordan Boyd
***38 - Will White - currently not on our list
39 - Talor Byrne
40 - Hudson O'Keeffe
41 - Matt Duffy
*****Backline group*****42 - Adam Saad
*****Forwards group*****43 - Ashton Moir
44 - Francis Evans
45 - Flynn Young
46 - Matt Cottrell
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Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #90 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Brisbane get away with Morris at FF because they have a red hot midfield delivering dimes.
We have a history of trying to cheat with non specialist players in key roles but always avoid fixing the underlying problems.
Cripps, Walsh, Hewett,Acres, Ollie etc will still be doing the majority of the delivering so nothing will change.
Haywood will find the ball lobbed on his head like Charlie did and same with Harry.
HOK is a good colt and will have his moments but as Freo have found out with the talented Luke Jackson, playing him forward as a tall forward works best as a shock tactic not as a regular event.
Hampson and Kruezer are a reminder of trying to cheat ending in disaster.

You've not watched the training sessions and seen how our ball movement is very different and quite precise?  Florent, Smith, Ison, Byrne, Hayward, Chesser, etc rarely miss a target and it's apparent that sharpening our kicking skills has been a major off-season focus.

Skull has always played as a key forward/ruck in the VFL.  His 10.6 from 9 games last season helped propel him into the seniors and his 3.4 from his three games was a decent return.  Time will tell if he is to emulate Paul Salmon, Charlie Dixon, Sam Darcy, Riley Thilthorpe and other ruckmen who succeeded as key forwards.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #91 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Brisbane get away with Morris at FF because they have a red hot midfield delivering dimes.
We have a history of trying to cheat with non specialist players in key roles but always avoid fixing the underlying problems.
Cripps, Walsh, Hewett,Acres, Ollie etc will still be doing the majority of the delivering so nothing will change.
Haywood will find the ball lobbed on his head like Charlie did and same with Harry.
HOK is a good colt and will have his moments but as Freo have found out with the talented Luke Jackson, playing him forward as a tall forward works best as a shock tactic not as a regular event.
Hampson and Kruezer are a reminder of trying to cheat ending in disaster.

You've not watched the training sessions and seen how our ball movement is very different and quite precise?  Florent, Smith, Ison, Byrne, Hayward, Chesser, etc rarely miss a target and it's apparent that sharpening our kicking skills has been a major off-season focus.

Skull has always played as a key forward/ruck in the VFL.  His 10.6 from 9 games last season helped propel him into the seniors and his 3.4 from his three games was a decent return.  Time will tell if he is to emulate Paul Salmon, Charlie Dixon, Sam Darcy, Riley Thilthorpe and other ruckmen who succeeded as key forwards.
Training and the VFL are a lot different to senior footy when the pressure is on.
Those players you mentioned are not in the same parish as what Morris has giving him the ball. Three of them haven't played a game and you failed to address the issue of our main midfield group still doing the majority of the work including delivery. I'd expect Ison, Byrne and Chesser to start in the VFL and Voss to stick with his experienced players initially given the reality that he is coaching for his future.

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #92 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Training and the VFL are a lot different to senior footy when the pressure is on.
Those players you mentioned are not in the same parish as what Morris has giving him the ball. Three of them haven't played a game and you failed to address the issue of our main midfield group still doing the majority of the work including delivery. I'd expect Ison, Byrne and Chesser to start in the VFL and Voss to stick with his experienced players initially given the reality that he is coaching for his future.

Yes, training is very different from playing but you missed the point; our ball movement is markedly different to what it was last season. 

McCluggage and Zorko are no slouches when it comes to spraying the ball and Charlie is going to be disappointed with the poor service he gets from the likes of Warner, Gulden and Roberts.  I wonder why Sydney let two of their better ball users go  :-\

On the other hand, seven of the players who left us were among our worst ball users.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #93 –
Quote from: DJC – on
On the other hand, seven of the players who left us were among our worst ball users.
A weird statement.
Charlie is one of the best ball users we've ever had.
Durdin was good too.
Fantasia wasnt terrible....just soft.
Silvagni was good for a taller guy.
Tdk was great for a ruckman.
Docherty and anyone else I've missed are all far superior to acres.

The knock on florent is his kicking.

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #94 –
It's actually a mixed bag...and the knock on Florent is somewhat exaggerated.

2025 Kicking efficiency

Out
Silvagni 72.7%
Docherty 62.6 %
Curnow 57.6%
TDK 57.2%
Fantasia 56.1%
Durdin 55.6%
E Hollands 52.9%

In
Hayward 67.4%
Florent 66.9%
Ainsworth 64%
Chesser 57.9%

One thing that has to be considered is that 'defender' kicking efficiency is often inflated by taking kick-ins and switches of play which occur without a lot of pressure meaning that accuracy is better.

Our top12 for kicking efficiency all played as defenders this year.

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #95 –
Durdin was an awful field kick, I suspect that's why we let him go
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #96 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Durdin was an awful field kick, I suspect that's why we let him go

Same with Binns; he could nail a couple then send a few into the void.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #97 –
Binns had a canky kicking action, not surprised he was hit or miss and was culled.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #98 –
They're actually all very good kicks of a football, you're not getting drafted if you can't kick.
It's usually decision making and execution under pressure that determines if a player makes it.
Binns didn't get much of a chance considering Chesser is 18 months older, has had more opportunities in a poor side and hasn't shown he can cut it anymore than Jaxon did.


2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #99 –
OK, i'm calling it.

We have our 5.

From only 8 votes, we had some varied selections, with nobody being a unanimous selection.
Our bench is...
Ollie Hollands - 7 votes
Cooper Lord - 6
Hudson O'Keeffe - 6
Frankie Evans - 4
Ollie Florent - 4

Narrowly missing out and making up our emergencies would be made up of 3 of....
Jesse Motlop - 3
Mitch McGovern - 3
Matt Cottrell - 2
Harry Dean - 2

Final Team
FB - Cowan - Weitering - Newman
HB - Saad - O'Farrell - Haynes
C - Walsh - Cripps - Smith
HF - Ainsworth - McKay - Hayward
FF - Williams - Kemp - Moir
R - Pittonet - Hewett - Cerra
Int - O. Hollands - Lord - O'Keeffe - Evans - Florent
EMG - Motlop - McGovern - Cottrell - Dean (27th)

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #100 –
How does that compare to last year??

Final Team
FB - Cowan - Weitering - Newman
HB - Saad - O'Farrell - Haynes
C - Walsh - Cripps - Smith
HF - Ainsworth - McKay - Hayward
FF - Williams - Kemp - Moir
R - Pittonet - Hewett - Cerra
Int - O. Hollands - Lord - O'Keeffe - Evans - Florent
EMG - Motlop - McGovern - Cottrell - Dean (27th)

For a comparison, lets look at what our best 26 was pre-season last year
FB - Saad - Weitering - Newman
HB - McGovern - Haynes - Docherty
C - Acres- Cripps - Walsh
HF - Kemp - McKay - E. Hollands
FF - Williams - Curnow - Fogarty
R - De Koning - Hewett - Cerra
Int - Smith - Cowan - O. Hollands - Boyd - Motlop
EMG - Silvagni - Moir - Cottrell


Looking at the 2 lists, McGovern, Motlop went from starting to emergencies and Moir did the opposite.

8 changes from last year to this year otherwise.
OUT: TDK, Charlie, Silvagni, Docherty, E. Hollands, Boyd, Acres and Fogarty....only the last 3 are still on the list (with Elijah in no mans land)
IN: Ainsworth, Hayward, Florent, Evans, Pittonet, Lord, O'Keeffe and O'Farrell....the last 4 found their way into the best team over the year, and Fankie was added later who acheived the same feat, only 3 of our new recruits and zero draftees have forced their way into our side currently.

I've made my thoughts pretty clear, there are a million and 1 scenarios that can unfold this year to influence the end result, but IMO we are starting a far inferior team to this time last year.

What do you guys think?

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #101 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
How does that compare to last year??

Final Team
FB - Cowan - Weitering - Newman
HB - Saad - O'Farrell - Haynes
C - Walsh - Cripps - Smith
HF - Ainsworth - McKay - Hayward
FF - Williams - Kemp - Moir
R - Pittonet - Hewett - Cerra
Int - O. Hollands - Lord - O'Keeffe - Evans - Florent
EMG - Motlop - McGovern - Cottrell - Dean (27th)

For a comparison, lets look at what our best 26 was pre-season last year
FB - Saad - Weitering - Newman
HB - McGovern - Haynes - Docherty
C - Acres- Cripps - Walsh
HF - Kemp - McKay - E. Hollands
FF - Williams - Curnow - Fogarty
R - De Koning - Hewett - Cerra
Int - Smith - Cowan - O. Hollands - Boyd - Motlop
EMG - Silvagni - Moir - Cottrell


Looking at the 2 lists, McGovern, Motlop went from starting to emergencies and Moir did the opposite.

8 changes from last year to this year otherwise.
OUT: TDK, Charlie, Silvagni, Docherty, E. Hollands, Boyd, Acres and Fogarty....only the last 3 are still on the list (with Elijah in no mans land)
IN: Ainsworth, Hayward, Florent, Evans, Pittonet, Lord, O'Keeffe and O'Farrell....the last 4 found their way into the best team over the year, and Fankie was added later who acheived the same feat, only 3 of our new recruits and zero draftees have forced their way into our side currently.

I've made my thoughts pretty clear, there are a million and 1 scenarios that can unfold this year to influence the end result, but IMO we are starting a far inferior team to this time last year.

What do you guys think?

You know what we think :D  :D

I'm guessing Dean and Motlop will play round 1.
I'm guessing O' Farrell wont
I'm guessing Newman, Kemp and Smith will play a few more games than they did this year.
No doubt we might have some who play less.

But what we do have is a number of players not in that original 2025 team who have played a few games this last season.
If we have a look at the players who didn't get a spot in our voting it bodes well for a strong VFL side, and many of those will (and are capable of) playing senior football in 2026

I'm also guessing the 2026 side will look significantly different when we play the 'wild card' round. ;)
But we've had these arguments...now it's wait and see, because anything else is just a guess and opinion.

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #102 –
Teams on paper look good...
Especially at the start of the season with no injuries and no 'apparent' issues.
Reality sometimes tells a different story.
As a season unfolds the paper often gets a little crumbled.

2025 ('best' team)
FB - Saad (21)- Weitering  (23) – Newman (0)
HB – McGovern ( 17)– Haynes (23) – Docherty (15)
C – Acres (19-played injured)- Cripps (23) – Walsh (14)
HF – Kemp (5) – McKay (12-mental health break) - E. Hollands (5-mental health break)
FF - Williams (19)- Curnow (18 played injured and mind on leaving)- Fogarty (20)
R - De Koning (22 distracted by huge St Kilda Offer) - Hewett (23)- Cerra (19)
Int – Smith (0) - Cowan (14) - O. Hollands (23) - Boyd (3) – Motlop (23)
EMG – Silvagni (13 brother’s issues and thoughts of leaving) – Moir (9) – Cottrell (6)


played every game
played most games
missed 4 or more
Missed significant games, or promoted for few

(There would have been others who played on through injury that wasn't as obvious.)
 

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #103 –
Having only six players who played all games was a significant factor in our season.

However, what I want to know is why the best and most irreplaceable CHB we’ve had wasn’t rated? 😇
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Pick our team in parts - Part 4 - 5 on the bench

Reply #104 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Having only six players who played all games was a significant factor in our season.

However, what I want to know is why the best and most irreplaceable CHB we’ve had wasn’t rated? 😇

Because that was from pre-season, he hadn't played a game there.
Do you want me to find one from the middle of the year??

....and if you were worried about players playing every game, why did we ditch Kennedy the year before who played every game??