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Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #30 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Newy        Weeters     Cowan
Saad         Haynes      Dean
Cotters     Crippa      Acres
Ainsworth   Gov        Zac
Hayward      H          Mots
Pitto          Hewitt     Walsh
int : Cerra   OHollands  Jagga  Florent
emerg:  Kemp   Moir  O'Keeffe  Lord

inj :  OFarrel

depth :  Evans, Caroll, Chesser, Fogarty, Campox2,  Young(F&L), EHollands(?), Charleston, Wilson, Boyd, Reidy, Ison,


Handy bench

excited by the 15 depth plus 4 emerg that you could legitimately (?) say could play decent AFL footy.   of course, injuries could make a mess of that!!!
 

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #31 –
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Quote from: kruddler – on


Weitering is a no brainer.
Haynes is the next best.
How do you fit both young and dean in the backline as well....and everyone needs to stop with the haynes on the wing nonsense, its not a legitimate position change.
....and there is always a potential for mcgovern as well.

To me, young just cant get in ahead of dean for any length lf time.

It's a shame we don't have tall depth in the backline. :D

We have Weitering.
We have a guy that will retire at the end of the year
We have a guy who hasn't played a game.
We have a guy who has played 6 games and done his knee
We have a guy who was told to look elsewhere, but is still around.

We haven't had this many options for a while, but its hardly what you would call solid depth.

With a bit of luck Dean and HOF turn out as good as we all want and Weitering plays on for another 7 years.
Anything short of that we still need to give ourselves options.

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #32 –
We're talking about the opening round.
And it's clear we do have options.
The question is, will Dean play from the get-go or will the Key backs be a Weitering/ Young or Weitering /Haynes combination.

I suspect Dean will be in the side but on the bench.

I still have hopes for Lewis Young in 2026
And while he may not be a long term prospect...
He's very much a confidence player.
He played the best quarter of football of any Carlton player I saw in the VFL last year before he was injured.
He's proven in the past he can handle the position.
He was in everybody's best 23 a few years back.
It will be interesting to see if he's in the side for the opening round.

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #33 –
We can only speculate based on the tactics of the past, but that weas a list with a very different structure.

Most of our list have AFL capabilities, they might not be the capabilities that fans want but whether they succeed or not tends to be more about how the MC and Coach put them to use and not so much about the opinions of fans.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #34 –
Quote from: LP – on
We can only speculate based on the tactics of the past, but that weas a list with a very different structure.

Most of our list have AFL capabilities, they might not be the capabilities that fans want but whether they succeed or not tends to be more about how the MC and Coach put them to use and not so much about the opinions of fans.

Yep
That's very true.
Hayward, Ainsworth and Florent may not be superstars but they have more AFL game experience than most of our side.
They've been good enough to play 150 games+ at the highest level.

We don't need two AA level backs forward and back.
It'd be nice, but few sides have that luxury.
And Brisbane have proved this last year you don't need it to win flags.

If one of our elite goes down we get the "We'll be screwed" notion.
The fact is others will step up and fill the void, so it's never a total loss of the key player....it's always only ever the difference that can't be made up.
And that's never as great as some may think.

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Lods – on
We're talking about the opening round.
And it's clear we do have options.
The question is, will Dean play from the get-go or will the Key backs be a Weitering/ Young or Weitering /Haynes combination.

I suspect Dean will be in the side but on the bench.

I still have hopes for Lewis Young in 2026
And while he may not be a long term prospect...
He's very much a confidence player.
He played the best quarter of football of any Carlton player I saw in the VFL last year before he was injured.
He's proven in the past he can handle the position.
He was in everybody's best 23 a few years back.
It will be interesting to see if he's in the side for the opening round.

I see it a bit differently to most.   If we are selecting for horses for course, I think we will select a spine based on strategies.  It makes picking our side for opening round difficult, as exposed form vs our opponents, will also be a variable, and ordinarily it wont happen until round 4 where you get an idea of whats going on. 

When building our team, I list the spine then fill in the gaps.

So:

BP ---------- Weitering-------------BP
HBF----------Young/Dean/HOF------HBF
C--------------C---------------------C
HF------------Skull/Kemp---------HF
FP-------------Mckay------------FP
Fol:----Pittonet/Rieddy--------X----------X

Int:  P-----P-----P-----P----P


Its possible that once you select your first choices, that the players not selected in the spine roles, will get selected elsewhere.  i.e.  Kemp, Dean, Haynes might get a game at the key roles, or in the peripheral roles based on what we think our opponent is doing or the rest of the team balance.  
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #36 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Weitering is a no brainer.
Haynes is the next best.
How do you fit both young and dean in the backline as well....and everyone needs to stop with the haynes on the wing nonsense, its not a legitimate position change.
....and there is always a potential for mcgovern as well.

To me, young just cant get in ahead of dean for any length lf time.

Haynes played on the wing in our last four games of last season.  We won two of those four games, Haynes was among our best players, we didn't miss him in defence, and he played on the wing earlier in his career.

He may not play on the wing again, he could spend the season in the VFL, or the MC may decide to continue with what worked well at the end of last season.  Either way, Haynes on the wing isn't nonsense and it's a legitimate option for next season.

I'm sticking with Weitering, Newman, Cowan, Florent, Haynes, Saad, Dean, L Young as my backline, but there's no reason why Haynes can't move into the midfield group and be replaced by O Hollands or Carroll.

It's also worth noting that, in addition to the defenders available at the end of last season when Haynes was playing on the wing, we should have Newey, Florent and Dean available for Opening Round.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Lods – on
We're talking about the opening round.
And it's clear we do have options.
The question is, will Dean play from the get-go or will the Key backs be a Weitering/ Young or Weitering /Haynes combination.

I suspect Dean will be in the side but on the bench.

I still have hopes for Lewis Young in 2026
And while he may not be a long term prospect...
He's very much a confidence player.
He played the best quarter of football of any Carlton player I saw in the VFL last year before he was injured.
He's proven in the past he can handle the position.
He was in everybody's best 23 a few years back.
It will be intersting to see if he's in the side for the opening round.

Weitering had a lighter workload than normal in our win over Essendon and only spent 94% of the game on the ground.  Lewis Young had 96% game time and, at the other end of the ground, McKay had 94% game time.  Interestingly, De Koning only spent 74% of the game on the ground.

Before his injury, Harry O'Farrell's game time was in the 90% range.

I expect Dean to debut in opening round, and he may well start on the bench, but he's not going to stay there; we no longer have 19th and 20th men Lods  ;D  

Dean probably won't have Weitering or Young game time from the get go and I suspect that he won't be spending a lot of time playing on Amartey or Curnow.  I think that he will be used initially as an intercept marking defender with Weiters and Young as the KPDs but he will take his turn on whoever Sydney uses as KPFs.  Dean may well take over a KPD mantle as the season progresses but he would be equally at home as an intercept defender and ball distributor.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #38 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I expect Dean to debut in opening round, and he may well start on the bench, but he's not going to stay there; we no longer have 19th and 20th men Lods  ;D  

Dean probably won't have Weitering or Young game time from the get go and I suspect that he won't be spending a lot of time playing on Amartey or Curnow. 

You know what I meant :P
He won't be thrown straight to the wolves.
He'll be eased into the contest gradually.
If he lights it up early he may get a fair amount of game time.

But that's just my guess and when and how he's played will be up to the coaches.
It wouldn't actually surprise to see him start forward. ;)

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #39 –
I have two alternate sides. The 24 and overs:
Florent Weitering Haynes
Saad L.Young Newman
Acres Cripps Cottrell
Williams Kemp Hayward
McGovern McKay Ainsworth
Pittonett Hewitt Walsh
Cerra Fogarty Reidy Boyd Evans/F.Young
The 24 and unders:
Wilson O'Farrell Duffy
Cowan Dean Carroll
Chesser O.Hollands F.Young
Evans Kemp Motlop
Byrne Moir Ison
O'Keeffe Lord Smith
B.Camporeale L.Camporeale Monahan Charleson E.Hollands/Wilson

Re: Name your team for Opening Round

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Lods – on

You know what I meant :P
He won't be thrown straight to the wolves.
He'll be eased into the contest gradually.
If he lights it up early he may get a fair amount of game time.

But that's just my guess and when and how he's played will be up to the coaches.
It wouldn't actually surprise to see him start forward. ;)

I did?  ;D

2026 will be a new kettle of worms with a five man bench and we'll have to see how that pans out.  However, the players who spent most time on the pine last season were still >70% time on ground.  If Dean is good enough to play, then he doesn't need to be protected other than for possible endurance issues.  Forwards like Moir, Motlop and Williams tended to spend more time on the bench and Billy Wilson had a slightly lighter workload than our other defenders.

I'm not opposed to the idea of Dean spending time forward but I don't think that really helped Weitering's development. 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball