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Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #30 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
If we kept him this year, there is no reason why we shouldn't keep him next year, even if we drop a couple places on the ladder.
Talent available last year > talent available this year......and spare me the 'output' of Curnow etc. excuse. This year it will be some other player that underperfoms.....there always is.

So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.

I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.


Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #31 –
No idea where we'll end up on the ladder in 2026.
Vossy's tenure is in his, the players and other coaches hands.

Just keen to see how we start 2026. Woo hoo. Go Blues.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #32 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
If we kept him this year, there is no reason why we shouldn't keep him next year, even if we drop a couple places on the ladder.
Talent available last year > talent available this year......and spare me the 'output' of Curnow etc. excuse. This year it will be some other player that underperfoms.....there always is.

So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.

I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.
I'd just give him 1 year.

...and you're being a bit cheeky by saying bottom 4. I said drop a couple places, 13th is a couple places, 15th is bottom 4.
Even then....what have we got to gain by giving him the flick at the end of the year with a sub-par list?

Nobody else is going to pry him away from us. He won't walk out.

He'd back himself in to get better after we have another year of development into our green shoots and hopefully a better off-season talent wise. So why offer anything else?

This is where i differ from most and where i'm misunderstood.

I expect us to drop this year and I am ok with that.
I expect us to rise if not the next year, the year after that.
People see that as me being negative.....quite the opposite. I'm giving him a grace period and allowing him time to turn it around because i think we're making him coach with 1 arm behind his back this year as the talent isn't there.
Last year he got a pass because the talent was injured.
This year he'll likely get the flick because the talent is wearing different colours, and that doesn't make sense to me.

Keep him.
Get a year into Dean.
Get a year into Jagga.
Get an extra year into Cowan, Hollands (x2?) Carroll, Campo (x2) and O'keefe.
Allow time for incoming players like Florent, Hayward, Ainsworth, Reidy and others like Kemp, O'Farrell to find their feet.
Then inject Walker and whoever else we may find.

THEN we will start to rise......but not this year. Too green. Too many changes. Too many holes papered over that can bring down the house of cards too easily.

So be patient, assume this year is a development / write off year and prepare for 2027.
With that mindset, the club will be in a better position as supporters won't be reaching for pitchforks after R2 because they EXPECT to do better.

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #33 –
Quote from: Lods – on
So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.

I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.

Matthew Nicks has a worse coaching record than Voss. The Crows have been more successful than us in the last 25 years by a fair margin, and one reason for that is that they don't panic and make knee jerk decisions on the coach. Nicks has not done much to date, but in amongst whatever other changes they made, they brought in Balme in early 2025 and then finished first after finishing 15th in 2024.

I hope the club doesn't just think sacking the coach is the default answer when things go pear shaped. I don't think it's right that a bottom 4 finish means another sacking. The club must be able to figure out what's what.

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #34 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.

I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.
I'd just give him 1 year.

...and you're being a bit cheeky by saying bottom 4. I said drop a couple places, 13th is a couple places, 15th is bottom 4.

No
You're the one changing the goal posts there.
I've been arguing all day based around MBB's prediction of a bottom 4 finish.

That's the basis of what I've written.
You've come late to the argument.

Giving him one year after a bottom 4 finish is not realistic.
Around 13 he may be a chance, but even then a slim one.

One thing we do agree on is that 2027 will be a year where we will be better, but we're bouncing from different starting points.
I have us a few places ahead of you this year.
And I expect Voss to be the coach.


Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on

I'd just give him 1 year.

...and you're being a bit cheeky by saying bottom 4. I said drop a couple places, 13th is a couple places, 15th is bottom 4.

No
You're the one changing the goal posts there.
I've been arguing all day based around MBB's prediction of a bottom 4 finish.

That's the basis of what I've written.
You've come late to the argument.

Giving him one year after a bottom 4 finish is not realistic.
Around 13 he may be a chance, but even then a slim one.

One thing we do agree on is that 2027 will be a year where we will be better, but we're bouncing from different starting points.
I have us a few places ahead of you this year.
And I expect Voss to be the coach.

You literally quoted me in a post where i said 'drop a couple' positions....so thats what i was responding too.

It doesn't matter.

Giving him a 1 year deal if we finish bottom 4 is not realistic.....in your eyes. I, and some others, will disagree.

If i was the one who was making the call, i'd come out and give him a year now and say that....
"Whilst we will not be putting a ceiling on this year, we are mindful of some big changes in the off-season. This year will be a year of transition and with a bit of luck, the transition will be completed before Round 1, but more than likely some further time will be required. We are not conceding anything, but we are also mindful that unrealistic expectations can lead to unneccesary knee jerk reactions. Its for this reason that we want Vossy to develop this team for sustained success and not have to worry about if he has a job each week"

Puts it all out there.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #36 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


No
You're the one changing the goal posts there.
I've been arguing all day based around MBB's prediction of a bottom 4 finish.

That's the basis of what I've written.
You've come late to the argument.

Giving him one year after a bottom 4 finish is not realistic.
Around 13 he may be a chance, but even then a slim one.

One thing we do agree on is that 2027 will be a year where we will be better, but we're bouncing from different starting points.
I have us a few places ahead of you this year.
And I expect Voss to be the coach.

You literally quoted me in a post where i said 'drop a couple' positions....so thats what i was responding too.

It doesn't matter.

Giving him a 1 year deal if we finish bottom 4 is not realistic.....in your eyes. I, and some others, will disagree.

If i was the one who was making the call, i'd come out and give him a year now and say that....
"Whilst we will not be a ceiling on this year, we are mindful of some big changes in the off-season. This year will be a year of transition and with a bit of luck, the transition will be completed before Round 1, but more than likely some further time will be required. We are not conceding anything, but we are also mindful that unrealistic expectations can lead to unneccesary knee jerk reactions. Its for this reason that we want Vossy to develop this team for sustained success and not have to worry about if he has a job each week"

Puts it all out there.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

I actually think that's a better idea.
Give him the two years now.
And emphasise the tranistional nature of this year....because I think even the most optimistic of us don't see us going deep into the finals.
Improving yes, but not dramtically.

If we do go really low on the ladder that extra year becomes a much harder sell at the end of the year.

The two problems I see are
- we're getting some really positive messages out of the club, rather than dampening expectaions they're raising them.
- have we already sounded someone out for 2027 and are keeping our powder dry to see what eventuates.
(the club isn't seen to be sacking a coach prior to contract end, but has someone lined up once Voss's contract finishes.)

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


You literally quoted me in a post where i said 'drop a couple' positions....so thats what i was responding too.

It doesn't matter.

Giving him a 1 year deal if we finish bottom 4 is not realistic.....in your eyes. I, and some others, will disagree.

If i was the one who was making the call, i'd come out and give him a year now and say that....
"Whilst we will not be a ceiling on this year, we are mindful of some big changes in the off-season. This year will be a year of transition and with a bit of luck, the transition will be completed before Round 1, but more than likely some further time will be required. We are not conceding anything, but we are also mindful that unrealistic expectations can lead to unneccesary knee jerk reactions. Its for this reason that we want Vossy to develop this team for sustained success and not have to worry about if he has a job each week"

Puts it all out there.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

I actually think that's a better idea.
Give him the two years now.
And emphasise the tranistional nature of this year....because I think even the most optimistic of us don't see us going deep into the finals.
Improving yes, but not dramtically.

If we do go really low on the ladder that extra year becomes a much harder sell at the end of the year.

The two problems I see are
- we're getting some really positive messages out of the club, rather than dampening expectaions they're raising them.
- have we already sounded someone out for 2027 and are keeping our powder dry to see what eventuates.
(the club isn't seen to be sacking a coach prior to contract end, but has someone lined up once Voss's contract finishes.)

He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.

Are you suggesting adding in 2028 also??

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #38 –
Ive got zero predictive capability but I have a hunch we'll finish above the sniffers and Toss will be under a LOT of pressure as a result.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #39 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


I actually think that's a better idea.
Give him the two years now.
And emphasise the tranistional nature of this year....because I think even the most optimistic of us don't see us going deep into the finals.
Improving yes, but not dramtically.

If we do go really low on the ladder that extra year becomes a much harder sell at the end of the year.

The two problems I see are
- we're getting some really positive messages out of the club, rather than dampening expectaions they're raising them.
- have we already sounded someone out for 2027 and are keeping our powder dry to see what eventuates.
(the club isn't seen to be sacking a coach prior to contract end, but has someone lined up once Voss's contract finishes.)

He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.

Are you suggesting adding in 2028 also??

No
I'm agreeing with you.
Just the extra year -2027
A one year extension, but don't wait to do it.
If we wait to do it 2026 results become a factor.

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #40 –
I went 4 to 6.

If you can dream, then dream out loud. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #41 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


I actually think that's a better idea.
Give him the two years now.
And emphasise the tranistional nature of this year....because I think even the most optimistic of us don't see us going deep into the finals.
Improving yes, but not dramtically.

If we do go really low on the ladder that extra year becomes a much harder sell at the end of the year.

The two problems I see are
- we're getting some really positive messages out of the club, rather than dampening expectaions they're raising them.
- have we already sounded someone out for 2027 and are keeping our powder dry to see what eventuates.
(the club isn't seen to be sacking a coach prior to contract end, but has someone lined up once Voss's contract finishes.)

He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.

Are you suggesting adding in 2028 also??

Unless they think we can do well in our first 4-8 games and want to make an announcement then…?
Be smarter to do it now.

I can sorta understand but don’t agree with the decision to allow Voss to coach into 26 but I think tactically they’ve missed the chance to make this 12 month extension.
Maybe if Davies was on board earlier it may have happened this way Krudds.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #42 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.

Are you suggesting adding in 2028 also??

No
I'm agreeing with you.
Just the extra year -2027
A one year extension, but don't wait to do it.
If we wait to do it 2026 results become a factor.

Yes, im saying do it now brute a ball is kicked in anger. Gets in front of all the nonsense that will follow.
 

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #43 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.

Are you suggesting adding in 2028 also??

Unless they think we can do well in our first 4-8 games and want to make an announcement then…?
Be smarter to do it now.

I can sorta understand but don’t agree with the decision to allow Voss to coach into 26 but I think tactically they’ve missed the chance to make this 12 month extension.
Maybe if Davies was on board earlier it may have happened this way Krudds.

I was fine with voss getting the right to coach or his contract.
Either way, once we showed him to stay and we cut the list the way we did, the only fair thing to do is give him the extra year. The expectations from supporters and media alike will fixate on his contract to the detriment of the club. So contract him and get that our of the equation.

I don't expect results to be favourable early on, so dint risk it. Sign him now.

This sound also help with talent aquisition as the unknown about who will coach is removed.

Re: Where will Carlton finish?

Reply #44 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: northernblue – on


Unless they think we can do well in our first 4-8 games and want to make an announcement then…?
Be smarter to do it now.

I can sorta understand but don’t agree with the decision to allow Voss to coach into 26 but I think tactically they’ve missed the chance to make this 12 month extension.
Maybe if Davies was on board earlier it may have happened this way Krudds.

I was fine with voss getting the right to coach or his contract.
Either way, once we showed him to stay and we cut the list the way we did, the only fair thing to do is give him the extra year. The expectations from supporters and media alike will fixate on his contract to the detriment of the club. So contract him and get that our of the equation.

I don't expect results to be favourable early on, so dint risk it. Sign him now.

This sound also help with talent aquisition as the unknown about who will coach is removed.

Coaching extensions are given on positive performance and good results, not hope, whims and goodwill. Extensions are a deserved reward.

At the JNM Vossy -- testament to his character -- admitted he'd failed the club in 2025. To the club's credit, they stuck with him into 2026 - definitely NOT old Carlton. He's been given the opportunity to SHOW he can do much better. So, any talk of contract extensions should be on hold until he proves he can do just that.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17