Carltons list changes needed to chase flag 17

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Carltons list changes needed to chase flag 17

Today at 10:26:00 am

Time to call a spade a spade - the current list and coach are not remotely capable of getting us cup 17. The longest ever rebuild has failed. No more trying to polish a turd. The list needs another massive overhaul and IMO we have few locks for the next tilt at a flag if you take off the blue glasses.

Apart from Weitering, Jagga, Walsh, O'Farrell, Dean, Cowan and Haywood and maybe Harry the rest are either going to be too old, are not talented enough or haven't seen enough of to make a fair assessment on. The issue is there is little in the remaining group with real trade value (maybe Cripps) so we have to go back to the draft, which means more pain before 'hopefully' bearing fruit.

Finally, clean out the current useless coaching group out and bring in a new group who tactically know the modern game.

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Reply #1 – Today at 10:49:30 am

Testify brother

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Reply #2 – Today at 10:52:11 am

With Tasmania coming in the Draft won't bring us a lot of joy.

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Reply #3 – Today at 10:57:48 am

I think if we look back to our last great run, the 2nd half of 2023, there was no coaching change, nor was there a list manager change, nor list changes. What changed was more on the mental side - players committed to each other, committed to the club, and getting in the right head space. If we can replicate this experience, it will go a long way to getting back up the ladder, and faster than digging in the same hole over and over again, which has up till now achieved a mixed improvement.

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Reply #4 – Today at 11:40:41 am

Quote from: PaulP – on Today at 10:57:48 am

I think if we look back to our last great run, the 2nd half of 2023, there was no coaching change, nor was there a list manager change, nor list changes. What changed was more on the mental side - players committed to each other, committed to the club, and getting in the right head space. If we can replicate this experience, it will go a long way to getting back up the ladder, and faster than digging in the same hole over and over again, which has up till now achieved a mixed improvement.

Yep, that was fascinating. That run of great wins came shortly after the players went to Camp Curnow... no coaches.

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Reply #5 – Today at 01:18:48 pm

Quote from: Lods – on Today at 10:52:11 am

With Tasmania coming in the Draft won't bring us a lot of joy.

Potentially.

I cant remember if the rules are set in stone or not, but i believe part of the deal is that tassie must trade away some of their early picks/ concessions.

This is where we can try and get a leg up.

Trade away a 30yo Harry and get a top 3 pick.....or trades of that ilk.

It SHOULD make it a little bit easier to get top picks.

Now whether you use those picks on kids or other established talent is a later debate, but getting the picks should be a good start.

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Reply #6 – Today at 02:00:30 pm

Quote from: kruddler – on Today at 01:18:48 pm

Quote from: Lods – on Today at 10:52:11 am
With Tasmania coming in the Draft won't bring us a lot of joy.

Potentially.

I cant remember if the rules are set in stone or not, but i believe part of the deal is that tassie must trade away some of their early picks/ concessions.

This is where we can try and get a leg up.

Trade away a 30yo Harry and get a top 3 pick.....or trades of that ilk.

It SHOULD make it a little bit easier to get top picks.

Now whether you use those picks on kids or other established talent is a later debate, but getting the picks should be a good start.

True...
It's probably a question as to what our 'capital' looks like at the end of 2027 and that;s bit of an unknown.

Cowan is one name that is often linked to Tassie.
How he goes over the next two seasons would determine his worth.
We may want to keep him and he might want to stay.

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Reply #7 – Today at 02:54:17 pm

2023 did us more harm than good imho, it was a false dawn that allowed the club to continue on the same road to nowhere.
We are not an innovative club but more of a reactive club and like a mug investor usually late to the party when the big money has been made and in our case are trying to play catchup to the modern game with still an old list(6th in the league).
There doesnt seem to be a long term plan just a reactive change of direction every year or when the media decide we are no good again and we need to appease the critics.
Unfortunately Shawny is probably right and we will need another cleanout of sorts and thats going to be difficult with Tassie commanding the draft and probably the trade period with their extra money to tempt off contract players.
Cripps and Harry are players who I would look to cash in on while they still have some value and I think both need a change of scenery anyway for their own careers...Harry in particular might give us a good return if he was interested in Tassie as a good place to make some extra money.

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Reply #8 – Today at 07:06:08 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on Today at 02:54:17 pm

2023 did us more harm than good imho, it was a false dawn that allowed the club to continue on the same road to nowhere.
We are not an innovative club but more of a reactive club and like a mug investor usually late to the party when the big money has been made and in our case are trying to play catchup to the modern game with still an old list(6th in the league).
There doesnt seem to be a long term plan just a reactive change of direction every year or when the media decide we are no good again and we need to appease the critics.
Unfortunately Shawny is probably right and we will need another cleanout of sorts and thats going to be difficult with Tassie commanding the draft and probably the trade period with their extra money to tempt off contract players.
Cripps and Harry are players who I would look to cash in on while they still have some value and I think both need a change of scenery anyway for their own careers...Harry in particular might give us a good return if he was interested in Tassie as a good place to make some extra money.

I think we went contested and pretty much everyone went the other way. For once we bucked the trend but it didnt yield the result.

Im not dissapointed in it, but sos rebuild just flat failed.

Even now, how many players he recruited left, and most of them wouldnt be playing if they hadn't been recruited by him again.

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Reply #9 – Today at 07:07:09 pm

We've had more clean outs than a standard room at a Bed and Breakfast. If you compare the filth levels of those rooms with our fluctuating fortunes over the last 20/25 years, you'd be right to think that both metaphorically and literally, clean outs are a bit of a scam and promise more than they deliver.

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Reply #10 – Today at 07:08:53 pm

Cody, Jagga, Dean, Lord, HOF, Cowan led by Walsh and Weiters (for a few years) is our future. We need HOK to come on and need to draft a few more.
Fear for the Hollands, the Campos and Moir.