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Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #30 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
The same club that took some of his elite players and watched them head out the door.

You can make a case for faults in our recruiting but Silvagni, Curnow and TDK all left becasue they wanted to go.
That's not setting Voss up to fail.
In fact there is some suggestion that some of those departing were less than enamoured with Voss's approach.
DeKoning left for ridiculous money...we were bever going to match that.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #31 –
When you combine our continuing mental fragility with our inability to physically run out a game, and then add our sub-standard skills, it would appear that making the top ten is a pipe dream.

The only positive is that now I only have to watch a game until a few minutes into the second quarter before going off and doing something meaningful with the rest of the day.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #32 –
The list has gone backwards the last two seasons, how can we make finals? How can Voss keep his job? Set up to fail.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #33 –
As for some players today.

Plenty of people had brain fades with terrible kicks, from both teams, so i'm not going to hang any individuals for that.

With that said...
- Young played IMO, he's best game for a couple years at least. Took some strong marks and put his body on the line in contests where previously he may have shirked.

- Byrne provided more in his first game than Fogarty has shown in years. Hopefully thats the standard we can expect from him.

- Dean has his old mans heart and courage and that may be his undoing. I heard he got taken to hospital, but not sure what the issue is. If he wants a long career, he needs to maybe save that stuff for finals. Maybe try teaching some other blokes that stuff.

- McGovern played well in his 100th in Navy Blue....could've had a couple more goals, but was our best forward....which is good and worrying at the same time.

- Pittonet...had the toughest gig in football, trying to stop Gawn, solo, in his 250th. We could've lost the game off the back of that gamble, but i think he won the battle for a half and then didn't get embarrassed (like most) after half time. I think that shows that 1 ruck from here should be the go as they're wont be a tougher gig all year.

- Elijah....played by far his best game for the year. In fairness, if he didn't touch the ball today, probably still would've qualified as he's basically worked for the opposition the last 2 matches. Hopefully he's turned the corner and continue to deliver that same output from here.

Midfield as a whole were down on output. I made a comment about missing Lord and not really replacing him today....and it looked like we were extra tired in that area as a result. Perhaps someone like Ben Camporeale should've been given a gig? Not sure if he have any other reins to pull in that regard.


A couple worries for me....
- HOK.....everyones worst nightmare....he has not only NOT come on, but also seems to have gone backwards. He's still young and there is time....but its a worry especially when looking for options up forward

- Which leads me to Kemp.....as above, he hasn't come on and seems to have gone backwards. We needed someone to stand up and take some of the spotlight that Charlie had and

- While we are at it, Harry. Didn't play terrible, but doesn't fill you with confidence. Don't think he can really grab a game by the scruff of the nexk like maybe he could about 3-4 years ago. Yes he won a coleman, but it was a Covid one. I think he is only the 2nd banana at best. We need to find a charlie replacement next year.

Finally, its easier said than done, but we really need to find someone to play on Kosi types.
Was only a matter of time until he got off the leash and when he did, he did whatever he wanted to do.....and easily.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #34 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
The same club that took some of his elite players and watched them head out the door.

You can make a case for faults in our recruiting but Silvagni, Curnow and TDK all left becasue they wanted to go.
That's not setting Voss up to fail.
In fact there is some suggestion that some of those departing were less than enamoured with Voss's approach.
DeKoning left for ridiculous money...we were bever going to match that.

Proper Preperation Prevents Poor Performance

Players leave, sure.....you can't throw up your hands and say there is no way we could've seen that coming.....and a have a year at the bottom as a result.

I've been stressing the importance for years, and been mocked repeatedly for it.
Yet here we are.

There will always be a player that want out.
There will always be a player who misses a year through injury.
There will always be an older player who falls off a cliff performance wise.

These are NOT valid excuses to fail.
You PLAN for these things in advance.....like i was suggesting.

We didn't.
They are to blame.

Regardless of any relationships with the coach, recruiters have failed in this area.

I've said it many times.
Individually, every decision the recruiters have made, you can find make a case for. (whether it works out or not is another story)
However, you are not picking a group of individuals. You are picking a complete list, with allowances to cover for injuries etc. This is the area we have failed in.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #35 –
Agree re Young thought he was quite good.

There is something pretty rank if you are known to capitulate in the third, to not do everything in your power to ensure it does not happen! If theres a system set up fitness wise to help you run out the fourth by taking your foot completely off in the third; then thst needs to change. I keep reading from the club that they know theres an issue there. I mean Doc said it out loud weeks ago (which imo was unhelpful by him)… but 3 weeks on this is still the problem. Seriously what is going on.

It is all well and good to say players have left or so and so is injured but ffs do something to change it happening time and again! It really cannot be that hard to change whatever youre doing that is contributing to that happening!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #36 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
I've jumped off the Voss train, it has derailed.
Cripps is not leading.
McKay and Kemp are soft as butter in a pack or one on one.
And Young can bugger off to Auskick where he can learn a few skills.

Kemp was lamentable - even less effort than Charlie used to provide.

McKay was as usual - not good enough.

Young had his usual (2 or 3) panic attacks but I thought he was reasonably effective as a defender and his ruckwork in defence allowed Pitto to stay with Gawn; a tactic that seemed to work for at least half a game.
Young is not the key defender we need for the long term, but he wasn't bad today. He beat his man for most of the day and took some very good marks under pressure. His kicking ... I don't want to go there.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #37 –
Quote from: MickyO – on
Agree re Young thought he was quite good.

There is something pretty rank if you are known to capitulate in the third, to not do everything in your power to ensure it does not happen! If theres a system set up fitness wise to help you run out the fourth by taking your foot completely off in the third; then thst needs to change. I keep reading from the club that they know theres an issue there. I mean Doc said it out loud weeks ago (which imo was unhelpful by him)… but 3 weeks on this is still the problem. Seriously what is going on.

It is all well and good to say players have left or so and so is injured but ffs do something to change it happening time and again! It really cannot be that hard to change whatever youre doing that is contributing to that happening!

On the train ride on the way home with my 10yo he was saying that all we need to do is fix the dropoffs after half time. I said its more common than you think.
I asked him to pick a number between 1 and 23 and showed him the score worm for the associated round last year.

I went through 6 random numbers before i found one that bucked the trend, and it was a game against either North or West Coast who i also pointed are the worst performed teams in years.

Every man and his dog sees what the problem is, yet not a damn thing has happened to fix it.
It can't be that bl00dy hard....can it?

From next week, just tell players that we are 'holding the ball up' until half time. THEN with all the energy we've saved, have the 2nd half we need.
Try something as drastic as that to buck the trend, because whatever is being said/done, isn't getting through.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #38 –
BTW, how many timely free kicks did the dees get......at least a couple of which resulted in goals when it mattered.

The Frankie Evans free kick against had me stuffed. The first contact on him when he had the ball was a swinging arm to his head, yet its holding the ball.......goal. WTF?

There was a couple more which i cannot recall with similar results, and i can't remember any going the other way to help us.

When it rains it pours.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #39 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Lods – on


You can make a case for faults in our recruiting but Silvagni, Curnow and TDK all left becasue they wanted to go.
That's not setting Voss up to fail.
In fact there is some suggestion that some of those departing were less than enamoured with Voss's approach.
DeKoning left for ridiculous money...we were bever going to match that.

Proper Preperation Prevents Poor Performance

Players leave, sure.....you can't throw up your hands and say there is no way we could've seen that coming.....and a have a year at the bottom as a result.

I've been stressing the importance for years, and been mocked repeatedly for it.
Yet here we are.

There will always be a player that want out.
There will always be a player who misses a year through injury.
There will always be an older player who falls off a cliff performance wise.

These are NOT valid excuses to fail.
You PLAN for these things in advance.....like i was suggesting.

We didn't.
They are to blame.

Regardless of any relationships with the coach, recruiters have failed in this area.

I've said it many times.
Individually, every decision the recruiters have made, you can find make a case for. (whether it works out or not is another story)
However, you are not picking a group of individuals. You are picking a complete list, with allowances to cover for injuries etc. This is the area we have failed in.

Do we not think that Voss has had mutiple ongoing discussions with his list manager over the years with regards to the nature of the game style we play and the type of players required.
Do they just cover their faces when they pass each other in the corridors and walk on.
If we're that dysfunctional that there is not a collaborative approach then we probably deserve to be in the position we currently sit in.

This may be Austin's list but Voss would have had a big input.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Proper Preperation Prevents Poor Performance

Players leave, sure.....you can't throw up your hands and say there is no way we could've seen that coming.....and a have a year at the bottom as a result.

I've been stressing the importance for years, and been mocked repeatedly for it.
Yet here we are.

There will always be a player that want out.
There will always be a player who misses a year through injury.
There will always be an older player who falls off a cliff performance wise.

These are NOT valid excuses to fail.
You PLAN for these things in advance.....like i was suggesting.

We didn't.
They are to blame.

Regardless of any relationships with the coach, recruiters have failed in this area.

I've said it many times.
Individually, every decision the recruiters have made, you can find make a case for. (whether it works out or not is another story)
However, you are not picking a group of individuals. You are picking a complete list, with allowances to cover for injuries etc. This is the area we have failed in.

Do we not think that Voss has had mutiple ongoing discussions with his list manager over the years with regards to the nature of the game style we play and the type of players required.
Do they just cover their faces when they pass each other in the corridors and walk on.
If we're that dysfunctional that there is not a collaborative approach then we probably deserve to be in the position we currently sit in.

This may be Austin's list but Voss would have had a big input.
I doubt Voss or anyone else would ask the recruiting team to bring in players who cant kick, are slow and are poor decision makers.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #41 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Proper Preperation Prevents Poor Performance

Players leave, sure.....you can't throw up your hands and say there is no way we could've seen that coming.....and a have a year at the bottom as a result.

I've been stressing the importance for years, and been mocked repeatedly for it.
Yet here we are.

There will always be a player that want out.
There will always be a player who misses a year through injury.
There will always be an older player who falls off a cliff performance wise.

These are NOT valid excuses to fail.
You PLAN for these things in advance.....like i was suggesting.

We didn't.
They are to blame.

Regardless of any relationships with the coach, recruiters have failed in this area.

I've said it many times.
Individually, every decision the recruiters have made, you can find make a case for. (whether it works out or not is another story)
However, you are not picking a group of individuals. You are picking a complete list, with allowances to cover for injuries etc. This is the area we have failed in.

Do we not think that Voss has had mutiple ongoing discussions with his list manager over the years with regards to the nature of the game style we play and the type of players required.
Do they just cover their faces when they pass each other in the corridors and walk on.
If we're that dysfunctional that there is not a collaborative approach then we probably deserve to be in the position we currently sit in.

This may be Austin's list but Voss would have had a big input.

Maybe Vossy does and he gets fed the same thing they feed us every year.
"There was nobody available at our pick"

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #42 –
You know something I'd try that is different for next week. When an opposition player takes a mark DO NOT exercise the outside 5 option, which invariable gives them about 20 meters  of space to play with for then next chain in play. Get up to the mark. Get up there and do the friggin stand. Let's try that against norf. Try something. I hate the outside 5 BS

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #43 –
Today was humiliating. There is no other way of describing it. We haven't learnt anything from last year.
[1] There are others who may not agree, but Gawn's game today showed why having a decent ruckman is a necessity. He lifted and dragged his midfield with him. Pitto tried his heart out, but he isn't a top ruck.
HOK has also gone backwards, which doesn't help us at all. Reidy doesn't look like the answer either, although he does, at least, get a few possessions.
We need a top ruck if we are to ever get back to being a contender!

[2] Our fitness levels remain suspect. Our 1st quarter was as good as any played this season, but after that ...  :'(  :'(  :'(
This was clear last year, yet we don't appear to have addressed it at all. If anything, we conk our earlier. We've been in front at half time in all of our games, again! Yet, we've won one and were lucky to do so.

[3] Our disposal: Another point we noted last year. Has it improved? Well, I couldn't say yes. Our disposal at times was diabolical.

[4] Our decision making also appears no better. Again, it was obvious last year.

[5] Our style of play: it was incredibly obvious that we our game style needs work.
(a) We don't stay close enough, or put enough physical pressure on to make a difference. That was so obvious when you looked at Talor Byrne's efforts, which really stood out.
(b) we don't lead and we don't honour a lead. We just fill in the spaces, so there is nowhere to run into. Instead we kick long down the line to a contest, which was so predictable to the opposition that they know what we're doing better than our players do.
(c) Run and carry: after quarter time we barely had any. Melbourne continually had guys open because they ran hard and kicked long. We stopped until everyone was covered before we tried to kick.
(d) We don't run with anybody. Opposition good players feast out on us as nobody picks them up. Pickett doesn't get a kick on a negative player who sticks close to him. But allow him to run around and he kills you!
(e) We kick the ball to the opposition's netter players instead of to ours. The number of times we kicked the ball to Gawn was ghastly!

[6] Psychological help: we clearly need it, as we lack belief. We don't think quickly. We make poor decisions. Most of that can be cured if we have faith in our teammates. We don't. We really need to have this self-belief if we are to improve.

[7] Leadership: we really are missing a fair bit there. Our 'leaders' don't go the extra mile. When things get hard, they don't stand up. Melbourne's leaders really stood up when it was needed. Ours did not. We cannot afford that.

I don not think Voss will be coaching us next year. No matter how well he might speak, his tenure has been one of lack of leadership, being unable to run out games, not being able to react to changes and not improving our game plan.
I don't know who our next coach may be, but we need one. We have issues that need addressing and Voss isn't doing the job.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #44 –
Absolutely disgusting effort after 1/4 time. You could see it happening in the second 1/4. I'm so sick of this crap I'm finding it so difficult to stay positive and go to a game. I seriously did not want to go today, but I did. What a disaster of a club we have become. I don't want to show my colours anymore for fear of been laughed at or stirred about who I support. I have been a member for 50 years and a supporter for 60 plus and this is the lowest I have felt about the club ever. I'm so disheartened by the club its not funny anymore.

On a positive note, Talor Byrne had a great debut for the club. A great first game. A goal with his first kick after using his body to edge out the Melbourne player and a couple of great bumps to clear the way for a couple of goals. Nice work young man and good luck for the future.