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Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #60 –
Just a side note, where's Walshy?
Signed a mega deal and has now become a so so player.
Used to be the everywhere man but that mantle now seems to be Jagga.
It must be that haircut or lack there of.

It's funny how when Jagga has it, I have so much confidence the ball will be bettered but when Young has it....

I wish we had a Bont type player, imposes himself on the game, a match winner. we have no one who puts their hand up.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #61 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
Just a side note, where's Walshy?
Signed a mega deal and has now become a so so player.
Used to be the everywhere man but that mantle now seems to be Jagga.
It must be that haircut or lack there of.

It's funny how when Jagga has it, I have so much confidence the ball will be bettered but when Young has it....

I wish we had a Bont type player, imposes himself on the game, a match winner. we have no one who puts their hand up.
Walsh is low impact because of his kicking, can't knock his work rate but he doesn't hurt teams enough with the amount of possessions he gets.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #62 –
This is not new. We've seen this movie over and over for quite some time now.

We've changed the game style, but not what is between the lugholes of our blokes. Same old, same old. You can paint stripes on a donkey and tell it to now run fast and hunt...

Bottom line: we're an embarrassment with no respect from other clubs. We have all the mental grit, resilience and strength of a turnip. But this is of our own making. How come this group is so demoralised that it can only operate when things are going their way... and easy?

Vossy admitted he's a glass half full kind of guy, looking for positives to focus on. All too often those who rely on positive thinking only do so because they're sh*t scared of negatives... reality. Fear based. Confronting fears (negatives) requires courage. Confronting the mindset of what happens to our blokes when pressure and change comes might just reveal the issue(s). We're courageous with our bodies, but not with our minds and hearts. Why?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
This is not new. We've seen this movie over and over for quite some time now.

We've changed the game style, but not what is between the lugholes of our blokes. Same old, same old. You can paint stripes on a donkey and tell it to now run fast and hunt...

Bottom line: we're an embarrassment with no respect from other clubs. We have all the mental grit, resilience and strength of a turnip. But this is of our own making. How come this group is so demoralised that it can only operate when things are going their way... and easy?

Vossy admitted he's a glass half full kind of guy, looking for positives to focus on. All too often those who rely on positive thinking only do so because they're sh*t scared of negatives... reality. Fear based. Confronting fears (negatives) requires courage. Confronting the mindset of what happens to our blokes when pressure and change comes might just reveal the issue(s). We're courageous with our bodies, but not with our minds and hearts. Why?
Limited list talent wise being coached by a man who is struggling with a modern game plan which is foreign to how he really wants the game played and looks like a deer in the headlights when the momentum changes and gets that paralysed look which all Carlton coaches of recent times get.
Zero leadership from senior players, the captain looks like he has checked out and I also question our fitness.
 

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #64 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
This is not new. We've seen this movie over and over for quite some time now.

We've changed the game style, but not what is between the lugholes of our blokes. Same old, same old. You can paint stripes on a donkey and tell it to now run fast and hunt...

Bottom line: we're an embarrassment with no respect from other clubs. We have all the mental grit, resilience and strength of a turnip. But this is of our own making. How come this group is so demoralised that it can only operate when things are going their way... and easy?

Vossy admitted he's a glass half full kind of guy, looking for positives to focus on. All too often those who rely on positive thinking only do so because they're sh*t scared of negatives... reality. Fear based. Confronting fears (negatives) requires courage. Confronting the mindset of what happens to our blokes when pressure and change comes might just reveal the issue(s). We're courageous with our bodies, but not with our minds and hearts. Why?

Im torn about this.  Constructive criticism is the way of today.  Look at kingsley and the Giants.  He has gone the rant and rave, and now thats the only way to get a reaction out of his team. 

Positives are good, they reinforce good behaviours.  Negatives are fine, for the right type of player, but some of ours, wont wear it they drop their heads, and then become dissillusioned.

Thing is, all the strong teams, I think that its all player driven.  Ours, wait.  They dont own their predicament, they just keep doing the same old same old, even when the game demands something different.  3rd quarter yesterday, we are up by 20 points, we have set up to lock it into forward 50.  We had the ball, and instead of maintaining posession and changing angles, I heard our crowd moan about us not playing fast.  The players hear this, and the panic sets in there too.  The fans around me did it on multiple occasions, and I thought to myself, we have just conceded 5 goals, 2 in the space of a few minutes.  Take the pace out of the game, dont put it in.  Whats the point of playing fast?  We kick a goal, and go into the middle, they win the next clearance (by then the centre bounce dominance was with Melbourne) and they score again? Give us some time to make them feel pressure and take the wind out of their sails.

Nup, our boys, bomb it into a nothing contest.  Ball cut off, end to end, goal.

We wont achieve anything until the players can feel that situation and rise to that occasion without someone having to tell them, hey guess what, we need a pressure relief. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #65 –
We have made so much change in the last 2 seasons what do you expect?

We have been rebuilding since the end of 2024, the club just haven't told anyone.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #66 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Respectfully Micky, how do we know the coaches did nothing to curb the momentum? I know what the players didnt do because that as plain as the nose on my face to see. I saw the player opposed to Kosi at the centre ball up lose touch with him far too easily because he gave him way too much space. I would much rather he gave away the frees for holding than let him stream out. I saw lots of attention to detail by the players missing when the game ramped up. I saw no leadership from the senior players. I  saw players man and ball watching. The above costs you games and careers. The coach also mentioned in the presser about not sticking to roles.

It's a circular argument though isn't it.
Players v Coach

If the players aren't following instructions.
If they're failing to man up.
If the leadership is lacking.
If players aren't sticking to their roles.
Does that not point to a disconnect between players and coach.
What are the consequences?

Does Voss make a statement and drop a couple of high profile players.
What are the consequences of that especially given the increasing pressure that multiple fade-outs have placed on the club?

Maybe best to go down fighting...play the players who show the fight and a bit of mongrel.
So that would be Byrne, Evans and .... ???
Lord was probably missed but wouldn't have made a huge difference.

It seems to me we have a number of players clearly out of form.
I thought Kemp was terrible yesterday...but he has missed a year of football.
A spell in the VFL may be what he needs just at the moment.
Get him to make a case there for reinstatement.
He's not impacting either forward or back and is a bit in no-man's land in terms of his career.

Cripps is being 'passed by' because of the way the game is being played at present. He looks frustrated. That may resolve if the game settles down as the year progresses, but that doesn't seem to be the case anytime soon.

Young cops plenty of criticism, but he seems to always draw the better forwards...the thinking is probably to free Weitering up as an interceptor but Young suffers in comparison. Young copped it again yesterday and made a couple of poor decisions but also did some good things especially with his marking. It was a mixed bag.
Ideally I'd like to see him play forward and provide the second ruck option. Both O'Keefe and Reidy are not impacting enough. The problem is Harry Dean seemed to hurt himself and Haynes reportedly suffered an injury in the VFL so it might be Lewis stays and stays as a backman.

McKay is getting plenty of ball...but not plenty of goals.
Flynn Young on the other hand, is among the goals in the VFL so maybe gets a game next week.

In short, too many players playing half a game or well below their best football.

Harry plays his best footy when he gets a run on the ball, like Levi did. His confidence rises. HOK will do ok for us but is still a young tall developing, as many take time, in probably before he is ready, and needs another year in the twos. Reidy I thought would have been better. Gov has been doing well up forward as a 2nd tall. One of the few positive things for us. Hayward and Ainsworth must have wondered what they have walked in to.

Vossy can't evolve as the game evolves and the style of game needed theses days is foreign to how he likes it. He'll can't match the best coaches with the modern game. Unfortunately, the players know that too and their performance and attitude reflects that. Attitude is everything, as we found mid year 2023. It can change in a week.

If we could play 4 qtrs, even 3, like we play the first qtr, no-one beats us, but we can't and look like a rabble after the first 30 min.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #67 –
young kemp o hollands harry florent chesser  HOK Carroll is over 1/4 of the team that is on the park and are all absolute numbnuts with the ball in hand.

They make the simple look difficult. They all have a dip but decision making and execution is not even close to the required standard. The amount of times they back into trouble when clear, miss teammates with what should be a simple pass, make dumb decisions amd zero awareness.


Way too many of these sorts to have on the field and expect to get a result.

Lead by a coach who has NFI how to coach the modern game and its no wonder we are bottom 4.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #68 –
Quote from: shawny – on
young kemp o hollands harry florent chesser  HOK Carroll is over 1/4 of the team that is on the park and are all absolute numbnuts with the ball in hand.
I seriously doubt OH was a problem this week, in fact he was probably up there in our best, had a heap of footy, intercepts, score involvements and I can only recall one obvious clanger that was more about being left high and dry by those around him than an individual error, although he will have to wear it because of the end result.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #69 –
There are always going to be miskicks and dumb decisions and the umpire calling dumb frees and players injured - every team has that.  But where is our tenacity, our grit, our doggedness to get it done? Who is the group that says not on my watcg and then fights to the death to make aure it
Doesnt happen.  Used to be Crippa and we all bemoaned why it was always left
To him…  well years on and we still have no one and crippa looks over it and cant put the team on his back anymore.

So the Q is why dont the coaches implore the players to go for it, have no fear, be a mongrel do what you have to to get the W. Then do it again and again.

Ollie works his guts out and should be excused from being too harshly judged. Mcg had a decent game but again in the 4th as it was coming out of our f50 the Melb player kicked to another - mcgs opponent - and i could see when it was kicked that it was gojng to go over his head. And sure enough it did but mcg wasnt paying attention so reacted late and what shouldve been a turnover to us was swept up and taken down for a goal.  H in a paddock no pressure could stop take time and wait but no bombs it in, turnover. Carroll and kemp
Both shocking kicks direct to oppo.

So the players arent switched on, after getting a good lead and the oppo Starting to put pressure on. Who galvanises others? Why isnt something done to stem the flow?

In the first we were kicking short and low it was obvious I even said to my partner theyre lowering their eyes this is good, linking up well. Sure enough back to long bombs.

Something is crook in tootgarook and it aint those arseholes leaving - this has been going on too long. This is entrenched and needs to be reversed out of stat or we are wooden spooners.  Wc and North are better than us atm. And we only escaped losing to Tigs because they let us.

Ffs. Another crap year!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #70 –
Have a look at our lists over the past ten years or more and one constant stands out - too many players who do not have the foot skills needed for the AFL.

As with our present list, these players will not risk trying to pinpoint a pass for fear of turning the ball over - and so the safe option is taken, kick down the line, kick to a contest.

With players unable to carry out the most fundamental skill, what hope does any coach have of implementing a plan?

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #71 –
OH is kicking a lot on his left this year and he is a poor kick on his non-preferred side.  Still trying his guts out but his left foot kicking has pushed his kicking stats from average to awful and it's killing us.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #72 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
This is not new. We've seen this movie over and over for quite some time now.

We've changed the game style, but not what is between the lugholes of our blokes. Same old, same old. You can paint stripes on a donkey and tell it to now run fast and hunt...

Bottom line: we're an embarrassment with no respect from other clubs. We have all the mental grit, resilience and strength of a turnip. But this is of our own making. How come this group is so demoralised that it can only operate when things are going their way... and easy?

Vossy admitted he's a glass half full kind of guy, looking for positives to focus on. All too often those who rely on positive thinking only do so because they're sh*t scared of negatives... reality. Fear based. Confronting fears (negatives) requires courage. Confronting the mindset of what happens to our blokes when pressure and change comes might just reveal the issue(s). We're courageous with our bodies, but not with our minds and hearts. Why?

Im torn about this.  Constructive criticism is the way of today.  Look at kingsley and the Giants.  He has gone the rant and rave, and now thats the only way to get a reaction out of his team. 

Positives are good, they reinforce good behaviours.  Negatives are fine, for the right type of player, but some of ours, wont wear it they drop their heads, and then become dissillusioned.

Sorry 3 Leos, I guess I didn't make myself clearer. I don't see negatives as bad nor would I focus on negatives to players. You're right, positives used well and properly encourage good habits. Constant berating of players doesn't work.

What I mean is that minimalizing negatives is dangerously close to avoiding fears and problems which is often disastrous... as evidenced by our wilting in games. By focussing on positives only, we've avoided facing and dealing with the very real issue and problem of wilting, which has been around for quite a long time. Hoping that a positive focus only, will solve all negative problems is a folly. Now, it cannot be ignored any longer.

There's a reason our boys revert to safe mode when under the pump. What are we failing to confront?
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #73 –
On a more positive note, rapt with 'The Byrne.' This kid is going to become a cult figure and fave at our club.

Son of Peter (Dean) is another ripper. Great attitude and mentally tough/switched on. I hope his injury is not too bad.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #74 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
On a more positive note, rapt with 'The Byrne.' This kid is going to become a cult figure and fave at our club.

Son of Peter (Dean) is another ripper. Great attitude and mentally tough/switched on. I hope his injury is not too bad.
Hopefully their attitude isnt corrupted or stifled by the lesser minded senior players around them.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership