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Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #45 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
....and what if the cupboard is so bare we don't have a choice BUT to play him?


It's not...Kemp can go back, Derksen can come in, Young can go forward and Ruck.
Which is what I'd do...
or
Straight swap.
Reidy in, HOK out.

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Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #46 –
Dean concussion, misses 2 games
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #47 –
There was some suggestion Haynes had done a hamstring in the VFL but he's not appearing on the injury list. He'd be a handy in with Dean missing.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #48 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Lose this game and it will be Voss's last, he will not survive a loss like this.

If we lose, as expected, MV won't be sacked.    It's looking vey likely so far that until the bye round we may only have 1 or possibly 2 wins,  but I think it will be the manner of the coming losses and whether MV continues to have zero game plan and have further disconnect from the playing group which will determine if he stays or goes after the bye.   In other words,  he is on borrowed time.  The other factor imo is whether GW has the replacement ready to go - and I've no doubt  it's something he's working on right now.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Lods – on
There was some suggestion Haynes had done a hamstring in the VFL but he's not appearing on the injury list. He'd be a handy in with Dean missing.

Maybe he was just managed rather than actually has an injury.  Some equate going off early with injury, but given the short turnaround from last week to this week, its entirely possible they just put him on ICE after 3/4.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
....and what if the cupboard is so bare we don't have a choice BUT to play him?


It's not...Kemp can go back, Derksen can come in, Young can go forward and Ruck.
Which is what I'd do...
or
Straight swap.
Reidy in, HOK out.

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No 2nd ruck. Prefer a runner. No point having a slow ruck when you can have a runner in. Young or Harry can have those duties. Young forward though, yes.
 

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Bluesers – on
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Lose this game and it will be Voss's last, he will not survive a loss like this.

If we lose, as expected, MV won't be sacked.    It's looking vey likely so far that until the bye round we may only have 1 or possibly 2 wins,  but I think it will be the manner of the coming losses and whether MV continues to have zero game plan and have further disconnect from the playing group which will determine if he stays or goes after the bye.   In other words,  he is on borrowed time.  The other factor imo is whether GW has the replacement ready to go - and I've no doubt  it's something he's working on right now.
Then it becomes a waste of a season if we wait until the bye. If we lose to North it should be his last. Then lets see what someone else can do with most of a full season ahead of them. Only  have to finish 10th.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #52 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: Lods – on



It's not...Kemp can go back, Derksen can come in, Young can go forward and Ruck.
Which is what I'd do...
or
Straight swap.
Reidy in, HOK out.

.
No 2nd ruck. Prefer a runner. No point having a slow ruck when you can have a runner in. Young or Harry can have those duties. Young forward though, yes.

Someone has got the message i've been spouting for years!  ;D

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #53 –
Cerra is back this week. Not sure if i'm happy about that, but at least it replaces Lord who we didn't replace last week.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #54 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: laj – on
No 2nd ruck. Prefer a runner. No point having a slow ruck when you can have a runner in. Young or Harry can have those duties. Young forward though, yes.

Someone has got the message i've been spouting for years!  ;D
Outside of a couple of finals when TDK did ok forward I have never seen 2 rucks work at Carlton. Can't remember the last time it was successful. Fitzpatrick/and both Jones? Nicholls and Perc? Harry and Sartori gave us good value as Sartori gave us great value up forward. We just barely saw Sartori on the park.

Can't think of much since.

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Reply #55 –
Madden and Allen in 95 worked well. Was surprised we didn't stick with but it obviously didn't matter.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #56 –
One or two rucks is not a tactical plan set in stone, you have to pick and choose when, in AFL no plan can be set in stone as you leave yourself exposed.

It's not different to having an extra KPP in D50 sometimes, you do it sometimes because of opposition strengths or your own weakness.

Last weekend Pitto shadowed Gawn, I think we need Pitto to push forward more as an alternate to Harry. We would not want the likes of Pitto and HOK dropping into D50 taking Gawn with them, anybody asserting a structure that causes that is a lunatic! If Pitto had been solo, that is exactly what Gawn would have done, drag him into our D50, because Pitto isn't capable of running solo off Gawn for four quarters. Gawn would have pushed deep at both ends and been largely unopposed.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #57 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Someone has got the message i've been spouting for years!  ;D
Outside of a couple of finals when TDK did ok forward I have never seen 2 rucks work at Carlton. Can't remember the last time it was successful. Fitzpatrick/and both Jones? Nicholls and Perc? Harry and Sartori gave us good value as Sartori gave us great value up forward. We just barely saw Sartori on the park.

Can't think of much since.

In the modern game where its all about run run run.....having any amount of extra talls blokes who limit that is a curse more than a blessing.

You could accept it up forward if your 2 blokes are kicking you bags of goals between them.
But 2 blokes in the ruck when you can only ever use 1 ruck at a time, that is, there is only ever 1 ballup, 1 throw-in etc at a time.
I've done the figures while we were using SOS as our 2nd ruck.
At best, we'd get maybe 1 extra hitout to advantage a game by playing a second ruck.
The flipside is that we expect our midfielders to play an extra 50% gametime between them to compensate, clearly making them more fatigued as a result. Given they are more fatigued, their output would drop. It could drop to the point where we get less hitouts to advantage as a result negating any perceived benefit.

Now we are more setup to handle a 2nd ruck.....but if that is HOK playing there and FF and he gets 3 touches a game and spends over a half on the bench.....then output wise its even worse than playing 2 rucks.......which yields no actual benefit anyway.

If you had unlimited players on the bench, 100% you play an extra ruck.....hell, play 4!
But thats not how it works.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #58 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Madden and Allen in 95 worked well. Was surprised we didn't stick with but it obviously didn't matter.
Yes, agree there. By the time finals came though Harry was on his own with Sticks helping out. Allan was a  younger bloke then and missed out when the time came. Allan was a dangerous man up forward. When you have that then 2 rucks works alot better. Actually both Harry and Allan were good up forward. To me, that's the only time two rucks work. No good having 2 rucks if they are useless lumps when not on the ball.