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Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #60 –
Enough has been said about our problems, but what about solutions? We’re clearly on track for a spoon and need to act, without having the luxury of a change in personnel..

Some left field ideas to consider
(1) Ainsworth as a back pocket/lockdown small forward defender . We don’t have one and I don’t really rate him as a great high HF.
(2) Hayward to HB? We need some pace and class off HB and for whatever reason, he’s not getting a touch in our system. I’d also be hoping that Billy Wilson comes on as we lack leg speed coming out of defence
(3) McKay back - let’s face it he’s not a great forward and we need to find a way to purge the Yoings/Derksens from our side. He has some pace and can surely follow his man around?
(4) Cripps full forward? He’s 195cm and playing about as badly as I can recall. Need to freshen him up and work with him to improve his kicking. HOK & Reidy don’t really strike me as great options but are also worthy of consideration at this stage.
(5) Hollands x2 - I keep saying if, but their good is outweighed by their bad. Critical turnovers or poor decisions cost us so dearly with these two. I’d be dropping both permanently and finding others to play their role.
(6) Florent/Saad into a new roles - both are sadly out of form. Can we find a way to freshen he other up, pinch hitting up forward or at centre bounces?

Would love to hear others views on changes that we can make. As a starting point I’d suggest that removing Young/Derkson & both Hollands is a step in the right direction & I know lots will disagree with me in Elijah’s case, but that’s my view.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #61 –
And can i say i feel like Hayward is playing like someone that doesnt want to be there.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #62 –
Quote from: MickyO – on
And can i say i feel like Hayward is playing like someone that doesnt want to be there.

He's been the most disappointing for me. He's better than what he's shown.
But apart from Pittonet so is everyone else.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #63 –
Quote from: MickyO – on
And can i say i feel like Hayward is playing like someone that doesnt want to be there.
I guess we got our answer of him being pushed out for Charlie.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #64 –
I want to know who we're targetting via FA/trades because drafting won't cut it and we so badly need the right type of player, not just any player like the discards we took for Charlie....gees a Sheezel type or Rioli off half back would make us look, and be, so much more effective.  But who would seriously want to come to Carlton...?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #65 –
Quote from: MickyO – on
The thing is, its now happened so many times that surely nothing is now ‘kneejerk’.

Yep
When does "kneejerk" become "waited too long"

It's conflicting points of view.
If you believe the list is no good then you can continue to back the coach for a while longer.
If you believe the list isn't as bad as it's showing, you question whether the coach is the right person.

The thing is that, if it's the list...then results will continue to be poor.
They won't improve this year.
We won't know if a change would have made a difference.
And that's the dilemma.
Keep going with the negativity (and in some cases anger), watch that fester and grow.
Or try something different.

I'm not sure that now is the right time for a coach change, because the next three weeks are difficult and what's most likely to happen would not be the 'sugar hit' people are hoping for but more of the same or worse.
That makes the next three weeks 'season defining', because it's at the end of that point that I suspect decisions will be locked in regarding the coach, and perhaps others.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #66 –
Yeah im a bit over the Cody Walker talk, hes a kid he is going to be years away regardless! Same with Harry D HOK all these young guys.


Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #67 –
North players said after the game they knew theyd win because we would fold.

Its now an AFL fact AND SOMETHING has got to change.
For thise bashing Cripps
The guy had his jumper pulled on every stoppage and i think he got one free for the game. He was trying to bust thru because most of the others refuse to throw themselves into it.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #68 –
I wouldn't be blowing all my draft capital on one kid either, just like selling the farm for Jagga Smith.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #69 –
I was too furious to pay proper attention in the last - if we were trying to run the clock down as it seemed, did we throw mcg or harry down back or change anything at all? Or was it a ‘stick to the plan’; which id thats the case and it continually fails them, no wonder the players panic.

Change has to happen - coach, or game play/tactics, or match ups need to be moved around.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #70 –
Therer are two phases to our game. We're ok at the first which is contended with fresh players.  In the second phase we are dismal, thats when the big slow bodies in the center really hurt us and the opposition have known that for a number of years.

The coaching staff have't got a plan for that second phase other than to try to repeat the first and it never works, thats on Voss not the slow players. We need those change up a gear players, some who have done some bench time and are fresh for the onslaught while the big body players do some bench time and go foward in Cripps case. Thats the time to send Harry back and Young/Derkson forward.  Derkson was lost out there yesterday.

Voss won't do something like that as he cannot.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #71 –
Quote from: MickyO – on
The thing is, its now happened so many times that surely nothing is now ‘kneejerk’.

We allowed him to continue his contract.
Took away his top liners.
Now want to sack him after 4 games?
What the hell did you expect to happen??

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #72 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
Enough has been said about our problems, but what about solutions? We’re clearly on track for a spoon and need to act, without having the luxury of a change in personnel..

Some left field ideas to consider
(1) Ainsworth as a back pocket/lockdown small forward defender . We don’t have one and I don’t really rate him as a great high HF.
(2) Hayward to HB? We need some pace and class off HB and for whatever reason, he’s not getting a touch in our system. I’d also be hoping that Billy Wilson comes on as we lack leg speed coming out of defence
(3) McKay back - let’s face it he’s not a great forward and we need to find a way to purge the Yoings/Derksens from our side. He has some pace and can surely follow his man around?
(4) Cripps full forward? He’s 195cm and playing about as badly as I can recall. Need to freshen him up and work with him to improve his kicking. HOK & Reidy don’t really strike me as great options but are also worthy of consideration at this stage.
(5) Hollands x2 - I keep saying if, but their good is outweighed by their bad. Critical turnovers or poor decisions cost us so dearly with these two. I’d be dropping both permanently and finding others to play their role.
(6) Florent/Saad into a new roles - both are sadly out of form. Can we find a way to freshen he other up, pinch hitting up forward or at centre bounces?

Would love to hear others views on changes that we can make. As a starting point I’d suggest that removing Young/Derkson & both Hollands is a step in the right direction & I know lots will disagree with me in Elijah’s case, but that’s my view.


Certainly left field JD. At the end of the day, anything might be worth a try. Cripps would need some serious work on his kicking if he is to play FF.
Harry back would be a concern for me, you need abit a crap about you to play down back, thats not in H's DNA unfortunately. It seems to me those issues he faced last year which forced him to have time off might not be fully resolved, he isn't a patch on Coleman H, its actually quite sad as he should be in the prime of his career and should be taking games apart.
As I said, anythings worth a go.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #73 –
The Club has been sucked in by the Action Bias over and over again. This is the perfect time for Wright et al to show what they are made of.
 

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #74 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: MickyO – on
The thing is, its now happened so many times that surely nothing is now ‘kneejerk’.

We allowed him to continue his contract.
Took away his top liners.
Now want to sack him after 4 games?
What the hell did you expect to happen??


We didn't take away his topliners
His topliners left of their own accord.
They wanted to go.
...and there may have been some disaffection with the coaching direction that  contributed to those decisions.

Now I agree, now is not the time to sack him.
We want a careful consideration of who we want coaching us in 2027 and that will be clearer at the end of the year in terms of availability...(if a decision hasn't already been made)...the closer we can get to that the better.
Round 4  is too long for a caretaker coach to maintain any sugar hit.
There's also the danger an interim coach make a claim for the job full-time and prove to be a false saviour in the long run...so the  longer we delay that move the better.
And as I mentioned before we have a run of three or four games which will give us a much better idea.
But I suspect around mid-year the decision on Voss will have been made...if not made public.

What's the best move in the short term.
In some respects it might be a case of Wright coming out and saying "regardless of results, we've contracted Michael until the end of the year and we will be honoring that contract...so everyone else can get stuffed."