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Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #75 –
Lijah was possibly one of our best performers yesterday.  Ollie has his issues but he wasn't terrible.  He does need to tidy up his kicking.

Some of the moves mooted are fine but after listening to Voss yesterday he said something that struck a cord.  Weve blooded 10 debutants in 4 games.

We are getting into winning positions, and then we can see the errors as they unfold.  Are we that far off?  Will continuity simply fix it?  Is that why Voss didnt make massive role change with the game in the balance?

Is there a bigger picture he is thinking about?

Its easy for us.  We can say, weitering off, kemp behind the ball, McKay to relief ruck, and hayward to full forward but we wont know how those moves work without doing it. 

Also that night get us a couple of wins, does it frustrate players too much or does it work counter to players learning roles abd upset the apple cart too much?

All good questions.  We have been in winning positions in 4 games.  Only against Sydney did we truly get knocked for 6 where we had minimal answer.  Yesterday's game was a undeserving loss, so perhaps that isnt a good one to look at here.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


We allowed him to continue his contract.
Took away his top liners.
Now want to sack him after 4 games?
What the hell did you expect to happen??


We didn't take away his topliners
His topliners left of their own accord.
They wanted to go.
...and there may have been some disaffection with the coaching direction that  contributed to those decisions.

Now I agree, now is not the time to sack him.
We want a careful consideration of who we want coaching us in 2027 and that will be clearer at the end of the year in terms of availability...(if a decision hasn't already been made)...the closer we can get to that the better.
Round 4  is too long for a caretaker coach to maintain any sugar hit.
There's also the danger an interim coach make a claim for the job full-time and prove to be a false saviour in the long run...so the  longer we delay that move the better.
And as I mentioned before we have a run of three or four games which will give us a much better idea.
But I suspect around mid-year the decision on Voss will have been made...if not made public.

What's the best move in the short term.
In some respects it might be a case of Wright coming out and saying "regardless of results, we've contracted Michael until the end of the year and we will be honoring that contract...so everyone else can get stuffed."
Wright wont be going public saying that.

It leaves no wiggle room.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #77 –
Hayward was particularly poor and needs to be the coaches office at 9 am Monday to explain himself and his actions.  I'd drop him, publicly, because he needs an attitude re-set.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #78 –
Watching the replay, if you ignore all the late pressure induced errors and the obvious umpiring blunders, we still missed multiple shots at goal from within a 25m range and ultimately that was a big contributor to the events that cost us the game.

Fundamental errors, like missing because they ultimately kicked in the direction they were heading but they weren't heading for goal.

On a separate issue, I watch Kemp and think what a waste. This bloke rolled up to our club as a player who was capable of forward play and midfield rotations, and we basically burnt him by wasting his capabilities on the HBF. Now towards the end we want him to learn the F50, it's like resetting to day one and he seriously looks out of his depth.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #79 –
Yeah I didnt expect to be near the top
But i dod expect us to be able to account for richmond Melbourne and North!

CC was crap last year. Yes hes missed because he got the best defender. We miss TDKs hard work and athleticism, but what could we do there, thanks to SOS targetting him and giving him millions.

But we have Got talent and imo hayward was a liability yday and frankly played like hes a dickhead, florent seemed so slow but did work hard -
Maybe he shouldve been
Moved forward? I do recall Hayes was terrible in his first game so hopefully Florent will improve.

Newman and Elijah ran out of puff unfortunately and Weiters’ off injured, crap umpiring all going their way etc etc

Now the anger has dissipated I agree re Voss.  BUT changes need to be made when the game changes!  Even if it doesnt work its become a fail so to correct a fail you need to do something else.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #80 –
Quote from: LP – on
Watching the replay, if you ignore all the late pressure induced errors and the obvious umpiring blunders, we still missed multiple shots at goal from within a 25m range and ultimately that was a big contributor to the events that cost us the game.
Yeah hitting the post multiple times from
Close range is just a killer.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #81 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Hayward was particularly poor and needs to be the coaches office at 9 am Monday to explain himself and his actions.  I'd drop him, publicly, because he needs an attitude re-set.
Agree but if you had to drop players to send a message, you'd struggle to list a team and find a captain.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #82 –
I'm think fans are deluded if they think these guys will arrive as match winners from day one, they weren't match winners at the club they came from and at our club in a new team and environment they'll need at least 1/2 a season to settle.

In the long term they won't be bad, but they won't be any better than they were, they aren't going to turn into Judd just because the switched clubs.

"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #83 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: MickyO – on
The thing is, its now happened so many times that surely nothing is now ‘kneejerk’.

We allowed him to continue his contract.
Took away his top liners.
Now want to sack him after 4 games?
What the hell did you expect to happen??


I don't understand how anyone thought this was not a rebuild.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #84 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


We allowed him to continue his contract.
Took away his top liners.
Now want to sack him after 4 games?
What the hell did you expect to happen??


We didn't take away his topliners
His topliners left of their own accord.
They wanted to go.
...and there may have been some disaffection with the coaching direction that  contributed to those decisions.

Poor choice of words..
We didnt replace his top liners.
Result is the same though.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #85 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
Enough has been said about our problems, but what about solutions? We’re clearly on track for a spoon and need to act, without having the luxury of a change in personnel..

Some left field ideas to consider
(1) Ainsworth as a back pocket/lockdown small forward defender . We don’t have one and I don’t really rate him as a great high HF.
(2) Hayward to HB? We need some pace and class off HB and for whatever reason, he’s not getting a touch in our system. I’d also be hoping that Billy Wilson comes on as we lack leg speed coming out of defence
(3) McKay back - let’s face it he’s not a great forward and we need to find a way to purge the Yoings/Derksens from our side. He has some pace and can surely follow his man around?
(4) Cripps full forward? He’s 195cm and playing about as badly as I can recall. Need to freshen him up and work with him to improve his kicking. HOK & Reidy don’t really strike me as great options but are also worthy of consideration at this stage.
(5) Hollands x2 - I keep saying if, but their good is outweighed by their bad. Critical turnovers or poor decisions cost us so dearly with these two. I’d be dropping both permanently and finding others to play their role.
(6) Florent/Saad into a new roles - both are sadly out of form. Can we find a way to freshen he other up, pinch hitting up forward or at centre bounces?

Would love to hear others views on changes that we can make. As a starting point I’d suggest that removing Young/Derkson & both Hollands is a step in the right direction & I know lots will disagree with me in Elijah’s case, but that’s my view.


Certainly left field JD. At the end of the day, anything might be worth a try. Cripps would need some serious work on his kicking if he is to play FF.
Harry back would be a concern for me, you need abit a crap about you to play down back, thats not in H's DNA unfortunately. It seems to me those issues he faced last year which forced him to have time off might not be fully resolved, he isn't a patch on Coleman H, its actually quite sad as he should be in the prime of his career and should be taking games apart.
As I said, anythings worth a go.

Re Harry it is sad, but he’s just not firing a shot and he’s had a good go. Moving Harry is as much about taking Young/Derkson off the field as much as it about freeing Harry to play without the mental pressure of finishing the teams hard work with a goal, which we can see he struggles with.

The Hayward situation is similar and it can’t be fun for him running around headless in our forward 50, which inevitably leads to acts of frustration that we saw yesterday. A move to HB would free him up.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #86 –
Lose a key forward, key defender and number 1 ruck with no replacements.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #87 –
And replace them with bit players and blokes that play less important roles...over to you Austin
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #88 –
Even at their best, the Derksens, Reidys, Haywards etc are never going to be like-for-like replacements, but I think once they settle in they will play good footy for us.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #89 –
We saw the difference in the coaching from Clarkson .....McKercher had been cutting us up from half back but let Jagga in for an easy goal by not picking him up and Clarko went ballistic at the 3/4 time break with a little jab to his chest to his young player to let him know what matters most and thats accountability and not cheap possessions.