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Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #30 –
I'm not feeling as negative as some...

Lots of suggestions for things to fix.
Areas where we need to be better.
Many are valid.
The run on goals was still there last night.
Improvements aren't going to come all at one time.
So we should take the  little improvements where they come.

In the bigger scheme of things we were comfortably beaten by a better team.

But we weren't disgraced and played a team who...

Were on their home turf...one were we usually struggle.
Were minor premiers in 2025
Have beaten Collingwood
Lost to the Western Bulldogs by the current ladder leader by 6 points
Lost to Geelong, last years grand finalist by 8 points
Lost to Fremantle currently sitting 4th by 2 points.

They may not have been winning games but they're matching it with the best.
We matched them for large portions of the game
Were actually better for periods of the game...missing our key defender.
We lost the game in about ten minutes of the 'usual' lapse, but kept fighting.
The rain may have helped, but well into the last quarter we were competitive (in the play, if not on the scoreboard) so I suspect it's not the 'fitness' issue some suggested.

Not happy to lose.
But I thought there was enough improvement there that will be the 'theme' of the week, rather than the 'coach sacking' talk.


Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #31 –
Conditions were tough but they were cleaner with the ball and held their marks.

Marks Key Forwards:
Walker: 6
Thilthorpe: 6
McKay: 3
McGovern: 3

Marks Rucks:
McAndrew: 3
Maley: 3
Pittonet: 0
O'Keefe: 0
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #32 –
If Hary got the same umpiring that Tex does (he umpires, not the umpires) he'd be a bazillion times more effective.
Tex is a cheat and has gotten away with it forever.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #33 –
I'm shocked by fans being shocked about the growing lasso abomination, like the AFL coaches and players were never going to bend this rule to the extreme! What we are seeing is the difference between the part-time semi-amateur AFLW result of this implementation and the fulltime AFL version, in my opinion it was inevitable and I warned as much last year.

But this isn't a problem of players or coaches it's a problem of umpiring, the AFL have made the rules and the implementation / interpretation of the rules so complicated the game is now basically impossible to officiate without shooting yourself in the foot.

The only concern I have is why it seems so lopsided from a Carlton perspective, but it probably makes sense, because we have a list built to play a completely different version of the game to what the AFL currently offers, the game our list is built to play no longer exists. As a result we probably serve up more opportunities for it all to go wrong!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #34 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
If Hary got the same umpiring that Tex does (he umpires, not the umpires) he'd be a bazillion times more effective.
Tex is a cheat and has gotten away with it forever.
When Cripps tried to enter a contest like Tex, by pushing his opponent forward into the pack, Cripps got pinged.

Nothing on the broadcast about how Derksen ended up on the deck well off the footy holding his guts with Tex the only other player within 25m.

Cripps tugs on an opponent in the midfield and gets pinged, at one stage he attacked the footy being held by three opponents and it was play on or worse still holding the ball even though he was being held before he took possession like that one in the goal square, more than once actually it's a regular event.

If we want a damning criticism of our players and / or coaches, it would be given we are a slower than average list, where are all the blocks and shepherds for each other, they are invisible! We regularly see Harry flying against 2 or 3, of course he doesn't mark you can't be expected to mark in that circumstance, but he brings the ball to ground and we still have less numbers at the fall of the footy. We regularly see Cripps battling 2 or 3 opponents on the inside, but we do not have the numbers on the outside of the stoppage. Something is very very wrong.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #35 –
They 'complained' about the umpiring last week.

That may be the trick.
We should take our 'diary' to the AFL this week.

On another point...did anyone else notice we tried the old "over the head not looking handball" a few times last night.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #36 –
Quote from: Lods – on
On another point...did anyone else notice we tried the old "over the head not looking handball" a few times last night.
You mean the throws.

There were plenty of them from both sides, and it's pot luck, it's not a good tactic if you are slower than your opponent because every wayward disposal becomes a foot race that you can never win.

The bulk of the AFL now basically dispose of the footy by brushing a knuckle against the pill as they throw it away. We hate it, but I can see why the AFL have made it this way, because handball by the "ye old definition" was basically a roadblock for female participation in the AFLW.

In that regard you might as well just permit a throw like the many we saw last night.

You have to laugh about the commentary saying the umpires have become lenient because of the weather, but that lenience only extended to one team. Three weeks in a row we've seen opponents take possession, run 2 or 3 steps to be tackled like Tex last night, like Uniacke the week before, and our players have not been rewarded. We can't even blame it on being obscured by traffic, because it's happened in the clear, full view of multiple umpires, players, fans and commentators.

One thing from last night, there is no point our blokes trying to run off stoppages, they aren't fast enough, and absorbing the tackle drawing in the tacklers just screws up our disposal efficiency. Dawson showed what guys like Cripps, Kemp, McGovern and Cerra need to be doing more of to the smaller / lighter opponents instead of towing them around the field like backpacks.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #37 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I'm not feeling as negative as some...

Lots of suggestions for things to fix.
Areas where we need to be better.
Many are valid.
The run on goals was still there last night.
Improvements aren't going to come all at one time.
So we should take the  little improvements where they come.

In the bigger scheme of things we were comfortably beaten by a better team.

But we weren't disgraced and played a team who...

Were on their home turf...one were we usually struggle.
Were minor premiers in 2025
Have beaten Collingwood
Lost to the Western Bulldogs by the current ladder leader by 6 points
Lost to Geelong, last years grand finalist by 8 points
Lost to Fremantle currently sitting 4th by 2 points.

They may not have been winning games but they're matching it with the best.
We matched them for large portions of the game
Were actually better for periods of the game...missing our key defender.
We lost the game in about ten minutes of the 'usual' lapse, but kept fighting.
The rain may have helped, but well into the last quarter we were competitive (in the play, if not on the scoreboard) so I suspect it's not the 'fitness' issue some suggested.

Not happy to lose.
But I thought there was enough improvement there that will be the 'theme' of the week, rather than the 'coach sacking' talk.




Honorable loss time again
 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #38 –
Carlton's decision to omit veteran midfielder George Hewett from the side was to improve the on-ball group's ability to spread and get from contest to contest.

"To be honest with you, it just came down to wanting a different midfield mix," Adams said on Triple M before the game.

"Clearly, we've been beaten in second halves of late, whether that's been contest and spread, we feel like we need to mix it up with getting different guys in there with quicker feet at times to see if that works for us.

"I don't think, in particular, the George Hewett one will have much to do with our ball movement.

"It's more contest to contest, the ability for our guys to cover the ground. Just getting those guys with the big tanks and the ability with their fast feet to get contest to contest.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #39 –
Quote from: Lods – on
They 'complained' about the umpiring last week.

That may be the trick.
We should take our 'diary' to the AFL this week.

On another point...did anyone else notice we tried the old "over the head not looking handball" a few times last night.

This is another pet hate of our current list and club.

We are too nice and too honest to play the game like the better teams do to maximize results and give us any edge. Examples of last night, Tex gets hit in the back in a marking contest and flops holding his head and sucks the umpiring into a 50. Adel player handballs into the shin of our player on the boundary and forces a free. Its within the current rules and not something we would ever think to do. 

Our forwards never exaggerate any pressures, any push/shove to the back to help the umpire see it they just hope the umpires pick it up.

The umpiring last night was very poor yet we never complain like other coaches in post match pressers. If the umpiring last night was against a Hardwick, C Scott, Nicks, etc coached team it would be raised strongly and clearly in the presser. Not us we cope it on the chin and move on to next weeks upcoming loss. 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #40 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Lods – on
I'm not feeling as negative as some...

Lots of suggestions for things to fix.
Areas where we need to be better.
Many are valid.
The run on goals was still there last night.
Improvements aren't going to come all at one time.
So we should take the  little improvements where they come.

In the bigger scheme of things we were comfortably beaten by a better team.

But we weren't disgraced and played a team who...

Were on their home turf...one were we usually struggle.
Were minor premiers in 2025
Have beaten Collingwood
Lost to the Western Bulldogs by the current ladder leader by 6 points
Lost to Geelong, last years grand finalist by 8 points
Lost to Fremantle currently sitting 4th by 2 points.

They may not have been winning games but they're matching it with the best.
We matched them for large portions of the game
Were actually better for periods of the game...missing our key defender.
We lost the game in about ten minutes of the 'usual' lapse, but kept fighting.
The rain may have helped, but well into the last quarter we were competitive (in the play, if not on the scoreboard) so I suspect it's not the 'fitness' issue some suggested.

Not happy to lose.
But I thought there was enough improvement there that will be the 'theme' of the week, rather than the 'coach sacking' talk.




Honorable loss time again

Nah
I don't think I've ever used that term.
A loss is a loss.
It's particularly harder when you've predicted we'll match or exceed our 2025 ladder position.

But you take the "little bit betters" when you can.
Because a few weeks of 'little bit better' and you end up with much better.
What we can't afford and what some expected was a massive drubbing.

Watch the media his week.
It will still be Voss under pressure but there will also be talk of some positives. Things that if we fix up, may set us on the path to actually winning a few games.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #41 –
Kinda sucks that I’m still at the point of feeling relief that we didn’t get smacked by 10+ goals, but if gratitude for small mercies is the order of the day, then so be it. I was expecting much worse.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #42 –
Ive given it a bit of thought, and the same issues we complain about are still there.

Im going to comment on this from a what can our boys control perspective, rather than a what happened perspective.

Our inability to hit a target is very much a problem.  I think we would previously have kicked to a down the line contest, hoping to force it out of bounds, or into a contested situation which would help us relieve pressure down back.  The new out of bounds interpretation hurts us more than others here, because of our composition down back.  Our back 6 is not a running back 6.  there is no rebound, or speed or run being provided from it, so this is why our kicks are often forced down the line.  The only alternative to it we have is to kick to the corridor, but we dont hit targets either.  Carroll provides it of the ones that played last night, but you are not going to get much rebound or run from Haynes, Young, Derkson, Cowan (who does get up more, but has a defensive bone, and is often minding a dangerous forward), Newman gives a little bit of drive, but he isnt a rory laird, or millera type either.  Florent seems to go better on a wing.  Keep him forward of the ball, was a contributer to our early run of form. 

For a team that relies on contest, our ability to compete at times is absolutely abhorrent.  The constant going to ground drives me spare.  Derkson cost us a goal doing it (although in fairness to him, he somehow ended up on Rachelle and then he was in all sorts).

Harry goes to ground far too easily and im not sure why he isnt instructed to either push off and gain separation, or fly into packs.  He has had the biggest fall from his 2021 form.  Im not sure what changed with him, maybe its all the head knocks and he has gone conservative?  Not sure, but he is a big friendly giant, and needs to throw his weight around more. 

Our entries into forward 50 were a real contrast last night.  Adelaide were able to hit targets, and find players out in space, and kick it to advantage.  We tend to kick to dangerous spots, and then contest around those spots instead.  Until we tidy that up, we wont achieve a lot.  In the wet, that tactic will work, as it causes a bit of chaos and contest and thats it.  

We are not a high scoring team, and as soon as Adelaide got to 12 goals, I knew our day was done, because we just dont have it in us to kick 15 goals.  Its not new, we have struggled to kick a big score for a while, and it wasnt that long ago that we posted a 100point score for the first time in years.  This will continue with our current avenues to goal.  Ainsworth and Mcgovern are our most dangerous forwards, the rest are conditional on things going their way. 

The rain absolutely helped us out here.  It nullified the Crows polish, and dragged them down to our level, as well as stopped them chopping off a lot of our forward forays and turn the game into more of a wet weather slog.  Ultimately the lack of nous and smarts in our team, is the part that really kills me, when we just do stupid stuff, like try play on quick, when we are in go slow territory, and then miss the next kick.  We were setup to press again at one point last night, and instead of mark kicking to change the angle, at some point we did stupid handball backwards to Jordan Boyd, and the next kick fell short of his target, which resulted in a against the tide goal to the Crows.  Boyds execution was a problem, but why play on in the corridor with a backwards handball?  What did I say last week about banning a handball in the defensive 1/3 of the ground when we are setup forward of the ball?  You could have torped it 50 metres into our forward line with a rainmaker and been more effective.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #43 –
@Thryleon good post, much of what I've been staying for a while now, I'm glad it's not just me that sees it.

For me even Gov goes to ground too easily.

The tell for me is most of our blokes get up and play on in the absence of further treatment, it's a Carlton pandemic and a further sign of headspace issues, a lack of physical resilience brought on by a lack of mental resilience. Pavlov's Dogs, but are they naturally so or is this a creation of our own doing?

"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #44 –
Coming out of this game, a couple of positives.

Haynes back, if he can stay on the park, will make a huge difference when Weiters returns, assuming we can get Weiters, Haynes and Newman all out there together, at least for this season. I think there will be many changes next round.

Walsh gets better every game, a good sign for a bloke who has just earned a hefty long-term term deal, he is far from putting his cue in the rack.

Our midfield at the moment is Cripps, Walsh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whoever. We need to find them genuine support so they have some longevity, in each game and in their remaining career.

Kemp is going nowhere as a F50 target, he's unnatural at it and consequently predictable, Cripps is much the same. They have a role as a pinch hitter, but not in perpetuity. Moving Gov into D50 to try and stop the bleeding comes with too high of a price, we have no release valve when Harry is solo. Harry is effective on the aerobic scale, but he's not a physically intimidating type other than his height, and he's a terrible wet weather mark for someone with such a clear reach advantage. Even so nobody is going to outmark him, so where in the hell were the guys who are meant to be crumbing?

Fans complain about our kicking to contests in F50, but there is a reason for it. So often it is a contest because we are predictable and every opponent knows the ball is going 9 out of 10 entries, the opposition are there in the zone waiting. It won't ever change until we see players creating space in F50, and we use those options, and that will be hard for us as a team because we are nearly always slower than the opposition. Ainsworth is a ray of hope, he's capable.

As a group we have such a lack of physical presence that we do not even mark when we have a 2 on 1 in our favour, a couple of times you saw two Carlton players at the fall of the ball, in the clear free of opponents, yet punch the footy! Who's talking, how can this be, where is the teamwork?

I'd give up on Kemp in F50, he should perhaps have midfield time just as a chop out for Cripps, if for nothing else but to have a role in stalling the momentum swings. Hayward might also be useful, but I do expect Hewett to return.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"