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Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #120 –
There is actually no pressure when you have a set shot for goal. The shot might be difficult, and a player might be tired from the effort to get the mark, but once the whistle blows it is simply technique and application.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #121 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Young did better than Pittonet in the last term.

Young has a better leap on him than Pitto.

Pitto will always be more susceptable to an opposition ruck who can still jump at the end of the game.

Pitto wasn't the problem. He did his job.

He got more clearances than the other 2 rucks combined (5 vs 4).
He got 21 touches vs Cameron 18.
He was leading contested possession getter for us with 12, only Daicos with 16 ahead of him. Cripps had 11.
He was carltons 4th highest supercoach scorer behind, Williams, Walsh and Newman.

If you want to try and exploit him/us, then you do exactly what collingwood did. Get a 'jumper' against him at the end.
Probably helps thats its a relatively new player who he hasn't come across before too.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #122 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Young did better than Pittonet in the last term.

Young has a better leap on him than Pitto.

Pitto will always be more susceptable to an opposition ruck who can still jump at the end of the game.

Pitto wasn't the problem. He did his job.

He got more clearances than the other 2 rucks combined (5 vs 4).
He got 21 touches vs Cameron 18.
He was leading contested possession getter for us with 12, only Daicos with 16 ahead of him. Cripps had 11.
He was carltons 4th highest supercoach scorer behind, Williams, Walsh and Newman.

If you want to try and exploit him/us, then you do exactly what collingwood did. Get a 'jumper' against him at the end.
Probably helps thats its a relatively new player who he hasn't come across before too.
Thats why you have scouts, Steenes first AFL game had him doing the same stuff, he has been in the system for 4 years at Collingwood so how he plays shouldnt have been a mystery imo.
Its not Pittonets fault but after the first Steene to Daicos play there needed to be a change....I thought Young did ok but it was too late by then.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #123 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Young has a better leap on him than Pitto.

Pitto will always be more susceptable to an opposition ruck who can still jump at the end of the game.

Pitto wasn't the problem. He did his job.

He got more clearances than the other 2 rucks combined (5 vs 4).
He got 21 touches vs Cameron 18.
He was leading contested possession getter for us with 12, only Daicos with 16 ahead of him. Cripps had 11.
He was carltons 4th highest supercoach scorer behind, Williams, Walsh and Newman.

If you want to try and exploit him/us, then you do exactly what collingwood did. Get a 'jumper' against him at the end.
Probably helps thats its a relatively new player who he hasn't come across before too.
Thats why you have scouts, Steenes first AFL game had him doing the same stuff, he has been in the system for 4 years at Collingwood so how he plays shouldnt have been a mystery imo.
Its not Pittonets fault but after the first Steene to Daicos play there needed to be a change....I thought Young did ok but it was too late by then.

There's a difference between watching tape and banging bodies though.
I'm sure we will be better equipped next time they face.
 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #124 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Young has a better leap on him than Pitto.

Pitto will always be more susceptable to an opposition ruck who can still jump at the end of the game.

Pitto wasn't the problem. He did his job.

He got more clearances than the other 2 rucks combined (5 vs 4).
He got 21 touches vs Cameron 18.
He was leading contested possession getter for us with 12, only Daicos with 16 ahead of him. Cripps had 11.
He was carltons 4th highest supercoach scorer behind, Williams, Walsh and Newman.

If you want to try and exploit him/us, then you do exactly what collingwood did. Get a 'jumper' against him at the end.
Probably helps thats its a relatively new player who he hasn't come across before too.
Thats why you have scouts, Steenes first AFL game had him doing the same stuff, he has been in the system for 4 years at Collingwood so how he plays shouldnt have been a mystery imo.
Its not Pittonets fault but after the first Steene to Daicos play there needed to be a change....I thought Young did ok but it was too late by then.
I blame it on the mids footy IQ. I could see from the stands what the Coll ruckman did after the first tap out. Our mids positioned themselves forming a guard or honour for Coll to run it out. Pathetic really. When I was a kid and there was a bigger ruckman kid on the other side, the coach used to tell us to watch their players and watch their ruckmans hands and rove to him as if he’s yours.
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Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #125 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Thought Harry was much better this week and was probably infringed every time he went for a mark.
Agree but 1g-4b is 1g-4b not matter how you look at it and its unacceptable from THE key fwd. This isn't a one off, week in week out for a very long time. He is getting to contests, clunking some marks and getting opportunities. The conversion or lack of is a real concern. Kick 4-1 and we win.
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #126 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 – on
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.

Not sure about his conversion rate wrt distance, but overall he kicked 238.251.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/R/Ross_Dunne.html

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #127 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: blueboys_1 – on
I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.

Not sure about his conversion rate wrt distance, but overall he kicked 238.251.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/R/Ross_Dunne.html

Opps. Meant Harry's conversion  rate not Twigg's.  :)

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #128 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 – on
Opps. Meant Harry's conversion  rate not Twigg's.  :)

Right. That would also be pretty hard to find. I'm sure Champion Data keep this sort of information, which they selectively and occasionally drip feed to the masses, but I would not hold my breath.

Going away from your specific question, Harry is currently at 281.187, which is about 60% goals 40% behinds, a little less than Jeremy Cameron, who is 743.425, which is about 63% goals. These numbers obviously omit kicks that fall short, OOF etc. But it's a handy rough and ready calculator.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #129 –
Going a little further off topic, these are IMO head space issues. Going back to the second half of 2023 and early 2024 when the team was flying, even Blake Acres looked like an elite kick. Having a lot of money and having a lot of AFL success share one big similarity, which is that once you reach a tipping point, both money and success tend to multiply themselves.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #130 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Club Statement regarding Hollands

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1997473/club-statement-elijah-hollands
I take what CFC says these days with a grain of salt,  they aren't much better at telling the truth than politicians.    I hope the AFL and AFLPA ensure this is investigated thoroughly and honestly,   Hollands and CFC members/supporters deserve that as a minimum.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #131 –
Quote from: Bluesers – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Club Statement regarding Hollands

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1997473/club-statement-elijah-hollands
I take what CFC says these days with a grain of salt,  they aren't much better at telling the truth than politicians.    I hope the AFL and AFLPA ensure this is investigated thoroughly and honestly,   Hollands and CFC members/supporters deserve that as a minimum.

I really dont know what you expect them to say. Do people want to hear a story that just mightn't be there?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #132 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Bluesers – on

I take what CFC says these days with a grain of salt,  they aren't much better at telling the truth than politicians.    I hope the AFL and AFLPA ensure this is investigated thoroughly and honestly,   Hollands and CFC members/supporters deserve that as a minimum.

I really dont know what you expect them to say. Do people want to hear a story that just mightn't be there?

I don't want to hear anything from CFC that isn't the truth,   ie   no smoke screens,  no diversions,  no bs.    Clubs always come out with this bs that our main concern is for the player, and his welfare.     It's the pc and in vogue thing to say,  because they don't want any bad press that can affect their bottom line,   ie memberships,  sponsorships,   dollars,  dollars,  and more dollars.  It's big business, right. 

For a player with Hollands history,  I want them to explain publicly (the truth) as to why he was out on the ground for almost 2 hours of game time,,    and not coaches,  physios,  medical staff, welfare staff,  senior players etc could see that things didn't seem right???   yet outsiders from the media and members of the public were able to...     Because of his (very) recent history of issues,  shouldn't he be a player that deserves extra care / attention / monitoring/ welfare etc etc?    Apparently not....    

And also,  just because CFC come out publicly and declare it was caused by a mental health episode ,  doesn't mean that is the complete truth either...