Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on April 17, 2026, 10:09:49 am

Agree but 1g-4b is 1g-4b not matter how you look at it and its unacceptable from THE key fwd. This isn't a one off, week in week out for a very long time. He is getting to contests, clunking some marks and getting opportunities. The conversion or lack of is a real concern. Kick 4-1 and we win.

I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.

Re: E. Hollands - what a freakin’ disgrace. Amateur hour at Carlton like it has been for 30+ years. I’m a former project manager so I want to see the club’s:

Risk Management Plan for player health.

Stakeholder Management Plan showing roles and responsibilities (RACI = Responsible, Accountable, Consulted, Informed. There should only be one ‘A’).

An Issues Management Plan. Usually a flowchart with various ‘STOP’ points. e.g. (for my son) Has mouthguard? Yes = continue, No = STOP

Escalation Management Plan. Can also be a flowchart. Make EVERYONE feel empowered to speak up. If someone brings an issue to a ‘higher up’ they MUST escalate it up the chain until the ultimate arbiter makes a call. For medical issues it would be the club doctor. If something like this was in place it avoids the ‘not my problem’ scenario or post-incident finger pointing.

There’s many more tools and procedures but they’re the bare minimum. If the club can’t produce these for the AFL then I’d be happy to see the book thrown at them.

Quote from: blueboys_1 – on April 18, 2026, 11:34:49 am

I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.

I was surprised to see that Harry did not use his usual 'around the corner' technique when kicking for goal from set shots.  In some cases the kicks were from the left hand side of the goals so that was understandable but there was one (or two) where he kicked a straight-forward drop punt from position/s where he would have usually kicked 'around the corner'. They were quite straight kicks that didn't miss by much but the fact that he didn't go 'around the corner' suggested that he might have been acting under instructions to not do so.

Quote from: RiverRat – on Today at 09:42:56 am

I was surprised to see that Harry did not use his usual 'around the corner' technique when kicking for goal from set shots.  In some cases the kicks were from the left hand side of the goals so that was understandable but there was one (or two) where he kicked a straight-forward drop punt from position/s where he would have usually kicked 'around the corner'. They were quite straight kicks that didn't miss by much but the fact that he didn't go 'around the corner' suggested that he might have been acting under instructions to not do so.

Thanks RR. As I said was not at the game and with recent history of his kick round the corner close in maybe the club have said enough is enough. About time if so!!!!

Quote from: blueboys_1 – on Today at 10:59:15 am

Thanks RR. As I said was not at the game and with recent history of his kick round the corner close in maybe the club have said enough is enough. About time if so!!!!

Maybe thats true but he kicked 1 goal 4 or 5. It didn't work.  PS  On goal kicking Josh Daicos said that he was watching the ball drop and commented that it was off, he didn't have to look where it went.  Who teaches this stuff?

Quote from: IvanAwfulbigone – on Today at 09:40:43 am

Re: E. Hollands - what a freakin’ disgrace. Amateur hour at Carlton like it has been for 30+ years. I’m a former project manager so I want to see the club’s:

Risk Management Plan for player health.

Stakeholder Management Plan showing roles and responsibilities (RACI = Responsible, Accountable, Consulted, Informed. There should only be one ‘A’).

An Issues Management Plan. Usually a flowchart with various ‘STOP’ points. e.g. (for my son) Has mouthguard? Yes = continue, No = STOP

Escalation Management Plan. Can also be a flowchart. Make EVERYONE feel empowered to speak up. If someone brings an issue to a ‘higher up’ they MUST escalate it up the chain until the ultimate arbiter makes a call. For medical issues it would be the club doctor. If something like this was in place it avoids the ‘not my problem’ scenario or post-incident finger pointing.

There’s many more tools and procedures but they’re the bare minimum. If the club can’t produce these for the AFL then I’d be happy to see the book thrown at them.

Agree and standing front and square IMO is Voss. Considering he coaches from the bench (or plays solitare on his laptop from the bench) you seriously would have to be brain dead to not pick up on the young man's condition. Lij has a history of substance abuse and yet our head coach is oblivious to his state till half-way through the last quarter. Any half component coach would have looked into his state when the stats said he was zero touches in a half and if he did that but didn't notice then he should resign. 

Yet another cross against him and hopefully the final nail and he is not up it like many on our list.

Quote from: blueboys_1 – on April 18, 2026, 11:34:49 am

I was not at the game so have not seen any of his shots. Harry has his own anxiety with kicking for goals. He is much better from a distance when he can kick through the ball. Since he started kicking round the corner from close distance he seems to of lost confidence in his kicking. It does my head in when I see a player kicking around the corner from close range. When I was a kid the norm was a torp from any distance or angle. One that stands out is twiggy dunn in the GF I think kicking a torp from 50 and it going straight over the umpires head. If anyone can find any stats on his conversion rate say from 0 - 30 and 30 - 50 it would make interesting reading I would say.

I was surprised to see that Harry did not use his usual 'around the corner' technique when kicking for goal from set shots.  In some cases the kicks were from the left hand side of the goals so that was understandable but there was one (or two) where he kicked a straight-forward drop punt from position/s where he would have usually kicked 'around the corner'. They were quite straight kicks that didn't miss by much but the fact that he didn't go 'around the corner' suggested that he might have been acting under instructions to not do so.

Quote from: shawny – on Today at 10:50:05 am

Agree and standing front and square IMO is Voss. Considering he coaches from the bench (or plays solitare on his laptop from the bench) you seriously would have to be brain dead to not pick up on the young man's condition. Lij has a history of substance abuse and yet our head coach is oblivious to his state till half-way through the last quarter. Any half component coach would have looked into his state when the stats said he was zero touches in a half and if he did that but didn't notice then he should resign. 

Yet another cross against him and hopefully the final nail and he is not up it like many on our list.

we've appointed a list manager as boss.

We've seen this before with ratten. 

Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died. 

Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.

we've appointed a list manager as boss.

We've seen this before with ratten. 

Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died. 

Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.

Quote from: shawny – on Today at 10:50:05 am

Agree and standing front and square IMO is Voss. Considering he coaches from the bench (or plays solitare on his laptop from the bench) you seriously would have to be brain dead to not pick up on the young man's condition. Lij has a history of substance abuse and yet our head coach is oblivious to his state till half-way through the last quarter. Any half component coach would have looked into his state when the stats said he was zero touches in a half and if he did that but didn't notice then he should resign. 

Yet another cross against him and hopefully the final nail and he is not up it like many on our list.

we've appointed a list manager as boss.

We've seen this before with ratten. 

Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died. 

Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.

Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 11:34:14 am

we've appointed a list manager as boss.

We've seen this before with ratten. 

Our club was once known as the professionals. We've been asleep at the wheel since dick pratt died. 

Sure sack the coach, our problems run deeper, and we'll be here in 5 years again.

the buck stops with Voss. he is the senior and should have picked this up

and in regards to our past as a guide it has zero relevance to the whether Voss can coach and he cant so should be changed.

it doesnt end there after voss is replaced the whole coaching group needs rejiggijg as a min.

hopefully with new coaching group we will see the true development of players like jagga dean walker (finger crossed). staying with the current set up will yield the same underperforming team year after year after year.

 

Quote from: shawny – on Today at 07:14:33 pm

the buck stops with Voss. he is the senior and should have picked this up

and in regards to our past as a guide it has zero relevance to the whether Voss can coach and he cant so should be changed.

it doesnt end there after voss is replaced the whole coaching group needs rejiggijg as a min.

hopefully with new coaching group we will see the true development of players like jagga dean walker (finger crossed). staying with the current set up will yield the same underperforming team year after year after year.

 

The coaching group were replenished 6 months ago but you keep on burning the witches 👍🏼

Quote from: shawny – on Today at 07:14:33 pm

the buck stops with Voss. he is the senior and should have picked this up

and in regards to our past as a guide it has zero relevance to the whether Voss can coach and he cant so should be changed.

it doesnt end there after voss is replaced the whole coaching group needs rejiggijg as a min.

hopefully with new coaching group we will see the true development of players like jagga dean walker (finger crossed). staying with the current set up will yield the same underperforming team year after year after year.

 

The coaching group were replenished 6 months ago but you keep on burning the witches 👍🏼