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Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #45 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
From what I had seen he wasnt to be persisted with, but in the frame of playing him vs Derkson...

Lemmey had 1 game where he kicked 7, with is the '1 game' Lods was referring too.
However, from the 16 games he played in 2025, he managed 31 goals (1 goal short of 2 goals a game). Thats an upgrade on anything we have currently, and hardly 'one-game'.

But yes, instead we train a guy up as backmen, then try and turn him into a forward.....who hasn't got as many runs on the board.  ::)

Who was training him into a backman then played him as a forward?  Wouldnt be our head coach would it.

Of course not  ::)

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #47 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Lemmey had 1 game where he kicked 7, with is the '1 game' Lods was referring too.
However, from the 16 games he played in 2025, he managed 31 goals (1 goal short of 2 goals a game). Thats an upgrade on anything we have currently, and hardly 'one-game'.

But yes, instead we train a guy up as backmen, then try and turn him into a forward.....who hasn't got as many runs on the board.  ::)

Who was training him into a backman then played him as a forward?  Wouldnt be our head coach would it.

Of course not  ::)

Of course it was the head coach, but why do you think that is?

How many key forwards do we actually have on our list? Can't blame the coach for that.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #48 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Lemmey had 1 game where he kicked 7, with is the '1 game' Lods was referring too.
However, from the 16 games he played in 2025, he managed 31 goals (1 goal short of 2 goals a game). Thats an upgrade on anything we have currently, and hardly 'one-game'.

But yes, instead we train a guy up as backmen, then try and turn him into a forward.....who hasn't got as many runs on the board.  ::)

Who was training him into a backman then played him as a forward?  Wouldnt be our head coach would it.

Of course not  ::)
actually Kingsley did it first we just pick him up as we needed a mature aged for both ends and shopped at the bargain bin. 

Blaming the coach for shifting the magnet he was given is a bit myopic.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #49 –
My understanding was that he was always considered a swingman.
Given that, there is absolutely no problem, or justified criticism, playing him either forward or back.

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Quote from: Thryleon – on
There lies the issue.  Derks has a background as a forward.
Weitering goes off injured, and what do our geniuses in the box do?
Leave derk with young down back.  Any chance can we put kemp behind the ball?

I thought exactly the same.
I'd like to see Derksen tried up forward.


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While he may be desperately needed in defence, I wouldn't mind seeing how Derksen goes in the forward line.

Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
Put him CHF and give Derksen a go at FF

Derksen has spent a bit of time forward in the VFL, but they've also had him doing a bit of back-up ruck work.
He probably needs to have a four or five goal game down there before they give him a chance at senior level.
But yep, he could be an option.

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The medium/ tall forward brigade also contains a number of forwards who can play back.
And now also (especially with the inclusion of Derksen) a number of medium/tall backs who can play forward.


Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #50 –
Play Derksen in the role that Kemp has had up forward and move Kemp back into defence, his kicking for goal on the weekend showed quite clearly that this experiment has failed.

B :  Cowan, Dean, Florent
HB : Kemp, Weitering, Carroll
C :  Smith, Cripps, Walsh
HF :  McGovern, Ainsworth, Derkson
F : B. Camporeale, McKay, Hayward
R : Pittonet, Hewett, Lord,
I/C : Wilson, Ison, O'Keefe, O. Hollands, Newman

IN : Derkson, B. Camporeale, Lord, Ison, O'Keefe
OUT : Saad, Haynes, Cerra, Evans, Williams
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #51 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Play Derksen in the role that Kemp has had up forward and move Kemp back into defence, his kicking for goal on the weekend showed quite clearly that this experiment has failed.

B :  Cowan, Dean, Florent
HB : Kemp, Weitering, Carroll
C :  Smith, Cripps, Walsh
HF :  McGovern, Ainsworth, Derkson
F : B. Camporeale, McKay, Hayward
R : Pittonet, Hewett, Lord,
I/C : Wilson, Ison, O'Keefe, O. Hollands, Newman

IN : Derkson, B. Camporeale, Lord, Ison, O'Keefe
OUT : Saad, Haynes, Cerra, Evans, Williams
Derksen is nowhere as dynamic as Kemp so it’s understandable why we want Kemp as a forward option, albeit he needs to address his kicking woes which are more mental IMO. Derksen is still finding his feet at the level, would love to see him make it and I reckon down back is the right place more him at the moment.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #52 –
Derksen kicked 5.2 on the weekend whilst Kemp eked out 0.1.

Most people are completely missing the point here, winning games now is totally irrelevant, we are not going to make finals anyway.

However, what can be salvaged from this trainwreck is a clearer picture of what we have on our playing list.

There are 19-20 players out of contract this year (thanks Nick Austin) meaning that there should be some heavy axings, but who ??

It is imperative that we give some senior games to other players on the list to ascertain who genuinely has a future and who hasn’t.

Besides, we are going nowhere with Saad, Williams & Haynes and they are three of the out of contract guys.

Lets use the remainder of the season as a part building block for the future instead of doing the same crap we have done thus far this season with the same non-performing players.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #53 –
We know that we have been competitive in most games this year.  A few have commented about what happens if we do run out this game and win it - with the implication that it was Voss' inability to change things around, only has one game plan.

What happens if we are blown away - is this a sign of Voss' ability to get the most out of a group, but Fraser can't?

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #54 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Derksen kicked 5.2 on the weekend whilst Kemp eked out 0.1.

Most people are completely missing the point here, winning games now is totally irrelevant, we are not going to make finals anyway.

However, what can be salvaged from this trainwreck is a clearer picture of what we have on our playing list.

There are 19-20 players out of contract this year (thanks Nick Austin) meaning that there should be some heavy axings, but who ??

It is imperative that we give some senior games to other players on the list to ascertain who genuinely has a future and who hasn’t.

Besides, we are going nowhere with Saad, Williams & Haynes and they are three of the out of contract guys.

Lets use the remainder of the season as a part building block for the future instead of doing the same crap we have done thus far this season with the same non-performing players.
Yeah lets retire players early again, that will make players want to come to us and we can cut their careers short too!
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #55 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Yeah lets retire players early again, that will make players want to come to us and we can cut their careers short too!

Okay then, let's perservere with serial offenders who should be in a retirement village.

We have a gaggle of young players on the list who we genuinely don't know if they are worth keeping or not. The only way to find out is by drop-feeding them through the seniors and see how they respond.

And if you are concerned about what effect that may have on our chances of winning a game, then have a look at the current win/loss columns on the ladder, we are third last with one solitary win against the bottom tean by a mere 4-points.

We have played all of the old coots all season and look where that has got us.

FMD, an interim coach is not going to magically turn us into a raging finalist overnight.

As for players not wanting to come to the club ............ BFD, we are going to the draft first off, they have no say in it. As for potential trades, if they don't want to come, once again, BFD !!

Down the track when we are a threat again, we will remind them how they knocked us back as we bury them into the turf.

 
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Derksen kicked 5.2 on the weekend whilst Kemp eked out 0.1.

Most people are completely missing the point here, winning games now is totally irrelevant, we are not going to make finals anyway.

However, what can be salvaged from this trainwreck is a clearer picture of what we have on our playing list.

There are 19-20 players out of contract this year (thanks Nick Austin) meaning that there should be some heavy axings, but who ??

It is imperative that we give some senior games to other players on the list to ascertain who genuinely has a future and who hasn’t.

Besides, we are going nowhere with Saad, Williams & Haynes and they are three of the out of contract guys.

Lets use the remainder of the season as a part building block for the future instead of doing the same crap we have done thus far this season with the same non-performing players.
Yeah lets retire players early again, that will make players want to come to us and we can cut their careers short too!

I think we spoke about this the other day.

I say we keep those types and trade off ones we get value in - eg Cripps, Harry, Weiters.
No point sacking old blokes because they are old. It doesn't help.
You 'sack' (trade) old blokes who get you something via trade to help improve your younger crop.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #57 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I think we spoke about this the other day.

I say we keep those types and trade off ones we get value in - eg Cripps, Harry, Weiters.
No point sacking old blokes because they are old. It doesn't help.
You 'sack' (trade) old blokes who get you something via trade to help improve your younger crop.

No point giving the old blokes a contract extension too, if they are out of contract then there is nothing to be gained by keeping all of them around.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #58 –
You can get rid of anyone if you bring in good replacements.





2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #59 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Yeah lets retire players early again, that will make players want to come to us and we can cut their careers short too!

Okay then, let's perservere with serial offenders who should be in a retirement village.

We have a gaggle of young players on the list who we genuinely don't know if they are worth keeping or not. The only way to find out is by drop-feeding them through the seniors and see how they respond.

And if you are concerned about what effect that may have on our chances of winning a game, then have a look at the current win/loss columns on the ladder, we are third last with one solitary win against the bottom tean by a mere 4-points.

We have played all of the old coots all season and look where that has got us.

FMD, an interim coach is not going to magically turn us into a raging finalist overnight.

As for players not wanting to come to the club ............ BFD, we are going to the draft first off, they have no say in it. As for potential trades, if they don't want to come, once again, BFD !!

Down the track when we are a threat again, we will remind them how they knocked us back as we bury them into the turf.

 

What has been our number 1 issue?

Culture.

Retiring blokes ahead of time, trading blokes for shiny new objects, simply creates the next batch of people who do a Jack Silvagni, Tom De Koning and Charlie Curnow.

WE as an organisation, need to prove that this is not a place for careers to come and die. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson