Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: kruddler – on Today at 02:03:25 pm

I think we spoke about this the other day.

I say we keep those types and trade off ones we get value in - eg Cripps, Harry, Weiters.
No point sacking old blokes because they are old. It doesn't help.
You 'sack' (trade) old blokes who get you something via trade to help improve your younger crop.

No point giving the old blokes a contract extension too, if they are out of contract then there is nothing to be gained by keeping all of them around.

You can get rid of anyone if you bring in good replacements.

What has been our number 1 issue?

Culture.

Retiring blokes ahead of time, trading blokes for shiny new objects, simply creates the next batch of people who do a Jack Silvagni, Tom De Koning and Charlie Curnow.

WE as an organisation, need to prove that this is not a place for careers to come and die. 

Quote from: Thryleon – on Today at 02:18:11 pm

What has been our number 1 issue?

Culture.

Retiring blokes ahead of time, trading blokes for shiny new objects, simply creates the next batch of people who do a Jack Silvagni, Tom De Koning and Charlie Curnow.

WE as an organisation, need to prove that this is not a place for careers to come and die. 

Yes, I believe we have a culture issue in the club too but it is coming from our leaders, not the rank & file.

Persisting with old players who are either past it or not playing to the level required (i.e. just don't give a feck) has a strong ripple effect too.

We kept gifting games to guys like Murphy & Gibbs when they didn't deserve it, everyone else became complacent & lived in the comfort zone.

Time to make a strong stand in this area.

Play some of the younger guys each week, give them 3-4 games and then back to the magoos, at the end of the season, the list management team will be in a much better position to make an informed decision.

What list management team?

It reminds me a bit of the Whitlam government when it came to power.
Whitlam and Lance Barnard the deputy PM divided up all the ministries and basically ran as a two-man government for a couple of weeks.
They were that keen to get things done.

You don't want older players.
You complain about gifting games to younger players and cite Murphy and Gibbs.

So basically is you want a team full of blokes that deserve a game, where gun kids and aging players don't apply.......and you think these blokes are on the list???

We know that we have been competitive in most games this year.  A few have commented about what happens if we do run out this game and win it - with the implication that it was Voss' inability to change things around, only has one game plan.

What happens if we are blown away - is this a sign of Voss' ability to get the most out of a group, but Fraser can't?

Quote from: dodge – on Today at 01:43:45 pm

We know that we have been competitive in most games this year.  A few have commented about what happens if we do run out this game and win it - with the implication that it was Voss' inability to change things around, only has one game plan.

What happens if we are blown away - is this a sign of Voss' ability to get the most out of a group, but Fraser can't?

So we rate the stand in coach in one game over a bloke who had 4 and half years???