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Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #45 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
The emphasis on the uncontested kick/mark game provided a nice contrast to the play-on-at-all-costs-and-turnover-the-ball-under-pressure game and the always-kick-it-high-to-a-contest game.  It also might have contributed to the team being able to sustain four quarters of effort.  Not pretty (or even pretty entertaining) but the outcome was preferable.

The ABC commentary I listened to made mention of the fact that the Doggies have had a grueling few weeks, and that they looked out on their feet by half time or thereabouts. I guess under these circumstances a keepings-off game will work well, although it does run counter to this "modern game" I keep hearing about, which is speed and run-and-gun at all costs.

At any rate, hopefully we can all strike a balance between enjoying a very rare win without thinking that we're off and away.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #46 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
Did we really play that much better than last week?

To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.

omg lol
I thought our contested work was better than theirs and we slowed the game down later in the game by holding onto the ball and not trying to run with it to limit turnovers. It was the same game style imo but with a different finishing style but it was  again based around stoppage goals or free kick goals but not much system.
A win is a win and you take the  4 points but the big picture for me is rebuilding the list and getting better draft picks so winning is a short term view and I'd rather we just blood youngsters like Port are doing and finish we where we need to so we get max benefit at draft time.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #47 –
Are we rating the performance based on our own biases. ;)
Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway
Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up.
There's an argument for both.

I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week.
But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.

The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game.
I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played.
The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough.
The VFL had a good win and  number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not.
At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you?  If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?

Nice try - I will ask again did you see anything difference with the gameplan. I will give you some clues: Any difference with how we were transitioning from a kick out? any difference with our general uncontested controlling of the ball? less kicking to a contest?

What about the way we lowered our kicking into 50 and spread the difference so when the ball hit the ground there was space to snap?

If you argue against that I'm not going to bother debating it as its pointless. There was a big changes in how we played and the players were less taxed in the last quarter as a result.

And no this doesn't mean we will win every week and but at least with this gameplan we stand a better chance of beating the teams we should compared to the dated contested bang and crash system we were going with.

Anyway time will tell but i reckon the likes of Wilson, Ison, Carroll and even Jagga will like this system over the last.
 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Are we rating the performance based on our own biases. ;)
Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway
Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up.
There's an argument for both.

I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week.
But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.

The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game.
I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played.
The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough.
The VFL had a good win and  number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not.
At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.

I still think we would have won with Voss coaching and same next game vs Port.
Voss is probably unlucky with the timing and could have improved his record but imo we need to concentrate on the big picture not short term sugar hit wins.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #50 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you?  If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?

Nice try - I will ask again did you see anything difference with the gameplan. I will give you some clues: Any difference with how we were transitioning from a kick out? any difference with our general uncontested controlling of the ball? less kicking to a contest?

What about the way we lowered our kicking into 50 and spread the difference so when the ball hit the ground there was space to snap?

If you argue against that I'm not going to bother debating it as its pointless. There was a big changes in how we played and the players were less taxed in the last quarter as a result.

And no this doesn't mean we will win every week and but at least with this gameplan we stand a better chance of beating the teams we should compared to the dated contested bang and crash system we were going with.

Anyway time will tell but i reckon the likes of Wilson, Ison, Carroll and even Jagga will like this system over the last.
 
I thought our kicking in from behinds was deplorable, each to their own. It's the one area other teams do so much better than us. As for the way we entered the fwd line, the interim coach was our fwds coach!
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #51 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: shawny – on


omg lol
I thought our contested work was better than theirs and we slowed the game down later in the game by holding onto the ball and not trying to run with it to limit turnovers. It was the same game style imo but with a different finishing style but it was  again based around stoppage goals or free kick goals but not much system.
A win is a win and you take the  4 points but the big picture for me is rebuilding the list and getting better draft picks so winning is a short term view and I'd rather we just blood youngsters like Port are doing and finish we where we need to so we get max benefit at draft time.

I dunno about that method EB. I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.

Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.

Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.

Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.

     

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #52 –
@shawny
Tend to agree. We’ve already had too much practice at being losers. We need to break with that asap.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #53 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Tend to agree. We’ve already had too much practice at being losers. We need to break with that asap.

There's nothing bad that comes from winning games and having a winning culture : fans are happy, media is off your case, players on the list want to stay and will accept less to stay, blokes from other clubs want to come over, it builds confidence and self belief, it becomes generational to the extent that good habits are passed from group to the next, and many others. I detest the idea of tanking. If Cody Walker or whomever else wants to be here, and we want him to be here, it will happen. Even if we don't get him first up, he can do a Jason Horne Francis if need be.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #54 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Did we really play that much better than last week?

To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
I thought the second half against Brisbane was basically similar to last night, just that last night we went at it a bit longer and didn't allow the Dogs to get the same run on. But a lot of it is Cripps, he has the most dominant game I've seen from him in two years, and was continually driving us forward even when we were wasting the footy.

Other than sticking with the plan better and longer, it was basically the same game tactics we've been trying to implement all season. I do find it odd that many only notice it now, after a win, they must be blinded by hatred at other times! To me it's been obvious we have been trying to implement a Lions style of play, I've been writing as much since about Rnd 3 or 4, just that we have been NBG at it!

I thought the young Dogs were not allowed the same degree of freedom, or were incapable of making the same space, that the Lions could.

If we were truly much better we should have won by 5 or 6 goals, I'm still a little disheartened by our tendency to limp to the end.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #55 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you?  If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?

Nice try - I will ask again did you see anything difference with the gameplan. I will give you some clues: Any difference with how we were transitioning from a kick out? any difference with our general uncontested controlling of the ball? less kicking to a contest?

What about the way we lowered our kicking into 50 and spread the difference so when the ball hit the ground there was space to snap?

If you argue against that I'm not going to bother debating it as its pointless. There was a big changes in how we played and the players were less taxed in the last quarter as a result.

And no this doesn't mean we will win every week and but at least with this gameplan we stand a better chance of beating the teams we should compared to the dated contested bang and crash system we were going with.

Anyway time will tell but i reckon the likes of Wilson, Ison, Carroll and even Jagga will like this system over the last.
 
ive watched us all year and we turned it over less.  Cripps was the difference his form has been crap most of the year. Harry's last two weeks have been better than anything we dished up and florent had a massive game which speaks volumes.

Weve been defending decently for most of the year bar going to sleep in patches and that didnt happen against an under manned doggies.

What else you got?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #56 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on

ive watched us all year and we turned it over less.  Cripps was the difference his form has been crap most of the year. Harry's last two weeks have been better than anything we dished up and florent had a massive game which speaks volumes.

Weve been defending decently for most of the year bar going to sleep in patches and that didnt happen against an under manned doggies.
Yes, tend to agree, last night when we were due to have our usual nap Cripps went into overdrive. At about 1/2-way through the last Cripps was dominating and Bont had only touched it once despite being thrown into the midfield.

Of course, if Cripps had already run himself into the ground earlier, that may not have happened!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I didnt see much different from other weeks.

We still did bone headed stuff with ball in hand and so did they, and we still kicked forward to no one in particular.

Only difference was the result.

Yes, the only real difference I noticed was that our effort was more consistent over the four quarters and perhaps we were just a little more willing to take the game on, as young Matt Carroll did!

We should have won by more, but our forward line inefficiency let us down again, particularly in the second quarter.  However, our tackling and ability to lock the ball in our forward 50 largely compensated for that.

Involving Indigenous players in the pre-game ceremony was a nice touch and would have made the night even more memorable for Jack Ison.  I think that his inclusion made quite a difference too.  His marking and link up work was very good and he rarely wasted a possession.  Third most metres gained for us was a good effort in his first game.

The Doggies were certainly helped by some inexplicable centre ball up and stoppage frees.  It was noticeable that players from both sides had no idea who the free was going to  ::) 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #58 –
We've been building all year towards more consistently.  Im not sure how much 7 days makes for a new coach to takeover but no doubt everyone was reading the writing on the wall and playing with a little less endeavour and dare accordingly.  We'll get the shot in the arm, but had we executed more precisely against Collingwood, North Melbourne, Melbourne, we probably would have should be sitting 4 wins.

Voss wasn't perfect. He persisted with two ruckman for too long but you could always see the logic in doing so which is all you can ask for.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #59 –
Quote from: shawny – on
I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.

Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.

Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.

Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.

Yes, the last thing we want to do is reinforce the notion that losing is in any way acceptable. 

Put the best possible team on the park each week, reward effort and, who knows, we might even jag a wild card.  Fraser's goal should be to get the players believing that winning is a realistic outcome, regardless of who we're playing.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball