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Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #105 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here.
A lot depends on how we approach the games.
Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive.
or
Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters.
It may be a combination of both.
Bottom line Lods is we always want to win, as long as evaluating the list is done on merit I’ll be happy.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #106 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here.
A lot depends on how we approach the games.
Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive.
or
Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters.
It may be a combination of both.

Jim can.
He has it all worked out.
It simples.
Only reason we won was because Voss wasn't coaching.
He's said it all year.

So i'm trying to see if these mighty powers of him work with foresight, or is it just hindsight.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #107 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here.
A lot depends on how we approach the games.
Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive.
or
Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters.
It may be a combination of both.
seeing jagga in tears after the siren on saturday with the boys tells me go all out for wins, worry about the draft capital later.  We'll get walker, one more player wont help or hurt us significantly but being crap will.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #108 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: Lods – on
I don't think anyone can predict our number of wins from here.
A lot depends on how we approach the games.
Do we want to go all out to try and win as many as possible, which in some respects would be counterproductive.
or
Do we want to spend the rest of the year evaluating the list, trying players in different positions and getting games into youngsters.
It may be a combination of both.
seeing jagga in tears after the siren on saturday with the boys tells me go all out for wins, worry about the draft capital later.  We'll get walker, one more player wont help or hurt us significantly but being crap will.

What I'm saying is predicting how many wins we will have from this point on is a futile task and anyone who does that is setting themselves up for failure....so why would you do it.
I have no idea how many we'll win from here.
Neither does anyone else.

It's not just about Walker.
And even if maximising the draft options was the aim....
We have quite a number of players that are out of contract this year.
We're re-setting with a new coach and recruiting team.
Winning should be the aim, but in doing so we should also be looking at evaluating that list and getting some games into the kids.
That will mean your results are often erratic.

Add in the sugar hit factor...if there is any.
How the team settles after the immediate effects of Voss's departure fades, is another unknown.
Predicting wins from this point on is an exercise in futility.

But probably the more futile exercise is dwelling too long on Voss's departure.
Understandably it's still fairly raw, there is anger in some quarters, and folks want to vent...that's fair enough.
Go your hardest.
But the "what if Voss was still there 'win or lose' arguments" are actually pretty much a waste of time.
Voss is gone and he won't be there.
And once they're gone, saying what would have happened is just a guess, mostly based (with bias) on whether you thought the decision was a good one or a bad one.

At some point there has to come "acceptance".
The sooner we move on, and get there the better

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #109 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
seeing jagga in tears after the siren on saturday with the boys tells me go all out for wins, worry about the draft capital later.  We'll get walker, one more player wont help or hurt us significantly but being crap will.
He was, wasn't he. Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. God love him. Wonder if that will be highlighted in the post match meetings.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #110 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
seeing jagga in tears after the siren on saturday with the boys tells me go all out for wins, worry about the draft capital later.  We'll get walker, one more player wont help or hurt us significantly but being crap will.
He was, wasn't he. Thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. God love him. Wonder if that will be highlighted in the post match meetings.
You cant teach passion and competitiveness. Hopefully blokes like Jagga and Dean can provide uplift in this area and drag a few along for the ride.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #111 –
like i said we beat a injury riddle wbd side by 12 pts , if we can beat  port then i would be more convinced .i hope we do.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #112 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
like i said we beat a injury riddle wbd side by 12 pts , if we can beat  port then i would be more convinced .i hope we do.

Port are going worse than the doggies

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #115 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Tanking for Dougie...

Partially.

Does that make us dumber than port?

Port have unofficially acknowledged their list needs work and have been playing kids/ no names on a consistent basis and there has been little criticism about their form and they have slipped under the radar thanks to us and Essendon making the news everyday.
The average Carlton less informed supporter will be happy with a few sugar hit wins and not think about the big picture or how to tackle the draft changes.
It's a lot harder for us to play the system because the Carlton image is always under scrutiny and making news.
Port can be crap and no one gives a second thought why but we are always over analysed and will always attract attention with team changes and reasoning. eg We dropped Hewett and it became a weekly topic for the media. Don't think we are dumber but are caught between appearing to want to win every game to appease supporters/media and playing the system for the long game.

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #116 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Tanking for Dougie...

Partially.

Does that make us dumber than port?


It depends. 

Look at Jagga's reaction to Saturday night.  The kid was in tears after the game.  As it is playing for carlton is hard work.  Its harder work when you arent winning.

We need to breed a winners mentality and that means forgoing the extra draft pick, and taking the hit.   Tanking will not get us anywhere because our team is far too fragile to be conditional.

What we should be doing, is absolutely flogging everyone at training, so that way we lose because we arent good enough yet, and condition them to be fitter and stronger in the process.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #117 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
It depends. 

Look at Jagga's reaction to Saturday night.  The kid was in tears after the game.  As it is playing for carlton is hard work.  Its harder work when you arent winning.

We need to breed a winners mentality and that means forgoing the extra draft pick, and taking the hit.   Tanking will not get us anywhere because our team is far too fragile to be conditional................................

I agree Thry.
 

Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #118 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Partially.

Does that make us dumber than port?


It depends. 

Look at Jagga's reaction to Saturday night.  The kid was in tears after the game.  As it is playing for carlton is hard work.  Its harder work when you arent winning.

We need to breed a winners mentality and that means forgoing the extra draft pick, and taking the hit.   Tanking will not get us anywhere because our team is far too fragile to be conditional.

What we should be doing, is absolutely flogging everyone at training, so that way we lose because we arent good enough yet, and condition them to be fitter and stronger in the process.
Agree! We have had more than enough high draft picks and its done screw all for us.