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Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #75 –
This ACL curse our club has is just downright disturbing.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
This ACL curse our club has is just downright disturbing.
Yep, pretty much one every year, I think, for about 10 years.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #77 –
Quote from: MickyO – on
Commentating - honestly, does the league nor TV stations not care one iota about professionalism? The amount of talent chomping at the bit to be footy commentators and we are left with a parochial Adelaidean and the recent ex coach of our opposition. I heard more about Butters being half back than I did about the entirety of our team and performance.

This is not just bias, it is unprofessional.  Sick
Of these old guys commentating games when there is young talent wanting to do it but get no look in.
You forget the days of Ian Robertson on ch7, he was a shocker in Carlton games.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #78 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
This ACL curse our club has is just downright disturbing.
Yep, pretty much one every year, I think, for about 10 years.
sometimes 2.  Motlop, hof, and Jeff have all gone down since July last year, add jagga in Feb last year and thats 4 in less than 2 years.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #79 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Less than two weeks ago Brisvegas only got us by two kicks after our horrendous first half. Freo three kicks. The Pussycats won't be taking us lightly and will do their homework on us... so our response will be something of a test.

So, in Vossy's last game, we could see things coming together and moving in the right direction, against the two time reigning premiers, on their home patch ? Hmm.......


Totally agree. If you recall I was acknowledging just that a few weeks ago. Please don't think I'm in the 'it's all Frase's doing' camp. Nuh.

The biggest differences I notice are 1. Better four qtr performances. 2. Risk with kids (MC getting their act together - reward for effort in the Magoos). 3. On-field leaders performing as leaders and not trying to be heroes (perhaps fuelled by guilt!). 4. More leg-speed going through the middle. 5. More punishing on turn-over. 6. More run and spread/boldness/risk. 7. H to 2nd ruck & 8. Newbies allowed to play to their strengths & starting to feel at home... I've a hunch that Hayward is also a huge plus behind closed doors.

Reality: 1. Early days for Frase - the early crowing by some commentators that Frase should put his hand up for the senior coach gig is frivolous and just plain absurd. As Frase acknowledged -- he strikes me as a realist -- it's a coaching group effort... how very socialist  ;D 2. There will be a reality check, which may be as early as Friday night against the Pussycats.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #80 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Port are tanking, strange moves, odd selections. Good to win for sure but perspective required and the Voss vs Fraser comparison is silly, I think Voss could have coached both games with the same result.
The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?

EB sorry mate but cant agree with this one. You were equally positive in the pre game threads of the north pies saints melb and maybe even a few more games tipping us to bounce back and win

We fell apart the same way and lost all of them so im not as confident as you that the last 2 weeks would have been wins if everything stayed the same.

Anyhow the one thing beyond dispute is the changes in game plan use of ball going into 50, lowering the eyes, lower kicks kicking to advantage and keeping control of the ball out of defensive 50. the predictable long kicks to the wings are not anywhere near as common as they were.

We are finally beating the teams we should beat. I said all along the list is mid table imo so i expect to beat the bottom tier teams, 50/50 ratio with the mid tier and push the top teams.

Be interesting to see next week if we revert back to the contested style as Geelong is one team it worked well against.

Finally heard Haywood in an interview on sen the main difference with Fraser is he is massive on the fundamentals and not over thinking or over complicating things but purely focus on doing the basics the best you can.

Also love someone to challenge Kane on if he still thinks Cripps is finished as a footballer. Could get 9 brownlow votes in last 3 weeks. Last night after the game he criticised the port coaches for not putting more time into him. unbelievable.





Shawny, Its a forum for opinion and you could well be right on list and coach. I did tip the team to rebound a few times as I thought the players might lift for the coach given they knew his position was on the line but they showed no spirit and let me down.  The Timing playing a injury hit Bulldogs and a tanking Port has helped Fraser imo and players being let off the leash is what David Teague did so Im not sold on Fraser being any type of genius .Far easier to coach with no pressure or goals set other than to play kids and hope a few show something imho.
As you know I wasnt and am still not an advocate for Voss as a senior coach but his position and ending was a calculated plan from Wright imo and the demise of Austin pre planned to coincide with Voss departing is all to convenient.
I think if the club had any faith in the list then Austin would still be employed so I will respectfully disagree on our list being mid table and imo it along with the coaching prowess of Voss has been a combined failure .
On the question of Cripps future and abilities.....given his last two weeks, his media interviews, Id be questioning his commitment to to the club, which I know most wont agree with. He is now running out last quarters, kicking goals, skippering with gusto and looks reborn, all in the space of a week. Where was this form and energy when the team was down?
Wouldnt be because he is now on the market and trying to show other clubs he still has what it takes and worth the big money he would want to change clubs? Im also not convinced on Weitering's commitment despite his media talk and how loyal he is to the cause going forward, heard some conflicting reports on his attitude also....
Dont expect to win vs Geelong as they have more to play for and are in red hot form but dont expect a drubbing either as we usually go ok vs the Cats...

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #81 –
What has changed since Voss had the reins?

1.  Playing Harry as second ruck/forward.  Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two.
2. More on ball time for Smith.
3.  Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward.
4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked.
5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player.
6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor.
7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors.
8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.


DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #82 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Carroll has been a real improver and wingman who kick goals are gold, very sad for the young man and lets hope he gets back to his good form when he returns next season...do we take a MSD pick now as he should be a LTI status?
re: Flynn Young...Im a fan of what he brings in terms of skills and being selfish is what all the good small forwards are and he should be encouraged to back himself in.
Finally got a good, young wingman and the happens.
We don't take many tricks on the injury front. And this year has been our best for decades!
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #83 –
Quote from: Baggers – on

Reality: 1. Early days for Frase - the early crowing by some commentators that Frase should put his hand up for the senior coach gig is frivolous and just plain absurd. As Frase acknowledged -- he strikes me as a realist -- it's a coaching group effort... how very socialist  ;D 2. There will be a reality check, which may be as early as Friday night against the Pussycats.

I’ll reserve judgement on Fraser, for now.
But if Crippa EVER again attempts to kick around the corner on his left from a set shot then we’ll know Josh is simply not up to it 😝
Keyboard warrior #24601

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #84 –
Quote from: IvanAwfulbigone – on
Quote from: Baggers – on

Reality: 1. Early days for Frase - the early crowing by some commentators that Frase should put his hand up for the senior coach gig is frivolous and just plain absurd. As Frase acknowledged -- he strikes me as a realist -- it's a coaching group effort... how very socialist  ;D 2. There will be a reality check, which may be as early as Friday night against the Pussycats.

I’ll reserve judgement on Fraser, for now.
But if Crippa EVER again attempts to kick around the corner on his left from a set shot then we’ll know Josh is simply not up to it 😝

It's not just Cripps - most of them are doing it from the right hand pocket - or, in the case of McKay, with his right foot in the left forward pocket

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #85 –
Why do umpires stop play for players who have a broken finger nail, to assist them getting off the ground while Carroll had to limp across the whole ground while play continued. We were one player shorts for that time. Umpires and our officials to blame. We should have brought to to the umpires attention.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #86 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
Why do umpires stop play for players who have a broken finger nail, to assist them getting off the ground while Carroll had to limp across the whole ground while play continued. We were one player shorts for that time. Umpires and our officials to blame. We should have brought to to the umpires attention.
Indeed. I'm not sure if it was our mistake or whether the umps ignored us, but it was a terrible thing for us. It could have cost us a lot more than it did.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #87 –
Quote from: IvanAwfulbigone – on
Quote from: Baggers – on

Reality: 1. Early days for Frase - the early crowing by some commentators that Frase should put his hand up for the senior coach gig is frivolous and just plain absurd. As Frase acknowledged -- he strikes me as a realist -- it's a coaching group effort... how very socialist  ;D 2. There will be a reality check, which may be as early as Friday night against the Pussycats.

I’ll reserve judgement on Fraser, for now.
But if Crippa EVER again attempts to kick around the corner on his left from a set shot then we’ll know Josh is simply not up to it 😝
Yes, still a bit early to judge the coach. He feels he is not ready either. We are his training wheels, but, if we roll Geelong yet again then I'll look further somewhat in judgement of Fraser.
 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #88 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
What has changed since Voss had the reins?

1.  Playing Harry as second ruck/forward.  Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two.
2. More on ball time for Smith.
3.  Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward.
4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked.
5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player.
6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor.
7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors.
8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.



Plenty of merit in all that.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #89 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
What has changed since Voss had the reins?

1.  Playing Harry as second ruck/forward.  Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two.
2. More on ball time for Smith.
3.  Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward.
4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked.
5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player.
6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor.
7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors.
8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.

1. This has occured previously under Voss.  Voss actually started it with making Harry 2nd ruck against the Lions. Harrys 2nd half against the Lions started this return to form. He was BOG against the Lions by fantasy points.
2. Smith has been given more on ball time recently, but also got plenty at the start of the year. I expect him to be in and out simply to manage his minutes and not break him. Can't expect essentially a 1st year player to play a full year on the ball.
3. Hard to quantify. Didn't see much difference between Lions and Dogs efforts
4. Young was dropped by Voss. Acres hasn't been picked all year. Saad has barely played all year.
5. Definitely got his first go under Fraser. Was borderline being picked in the few weeks leading up to it.
6. Vossy picked Wilson against the Lions.
7. Vossy brought Hewett back against the Lions.
8. Almost beat the lions. Played the same way since and have been beating poorer sides as a result.


I've got no issue with what Freser is doing, but he is getting a lot of credit for doing things which were actually done by Vossy first.
Week 1 vs Dogs - 1 forced change
In: Ison
Out: Saad (inj)
Week 2 vs Port - 2.5 forced changes
In: Derkson, Young, Byrne
Out: Weitering (inj), O. Hollands (inj) Williams (managed)

As with what Jagga said after the game, not a whole lot has changed under Fraser. The boys played well against the Lions and have continued playing that way.

I dont think there has been any drastic changes thats occured in the last couple weeks.