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Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #30 –
No harmonica this week.

I'd love to know what Davies and Wright are thinking right about now.

You'd have to think we'd be favorites against Richmond. 7 in a row would be sensational.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #31 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
No harmonica this week.

I'd love to know what Davies and Wright are thinking right about now.

You'd have to think we'd be favorites against Richmond. 7 in a row would be sensational.
The way it's going we'll be 2 games from 6th after this weekend unless Adelaide can pluck this one right of  the fire. I'll worry about 10th first though.

After Richmond we have 3 tough games in the run home against Hawthorn, Brissie and Freo, the rest against sides around us in the same position. Hawthorn has been ok lately but nothing great, and hoping by the time we get to Freo they may have peaked and gone over the edge. As long as we beat Richmond and go 8-8, I'd like to win 5 from the last 7, giving us 13 wins. Even 4 gives us 12.

But, as we know, this is Carlton, so only focussing on Richmond and best not get too far ahead of myself.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #32 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
No harmonica this week.

I'd love to know what Davies and Wright are thinking right about now.

You'd have to think we'd be favorites against Richmond. 7 in a row would be sensational.
We'll be favourites with the bookies for sure, I hope the players ignore that and any other noise about x in a row and what not. Focus on process and working on whatever isn't working well (which aint much at the minute)
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #33 –
I'm pretty positive about our recent form but I wrote in the "in game" thread at half time that I wasn't completely happy with the way we were travelling.
It just seemed to lack the intensity of the previous week.
While physical in parts, there just didn't seem to be the same attack on the contest and there were times when they moved the ball too easily.

But two things can be true at once.
We were never really in trouble and had their measure.
Everyone contributed to some extent, and but for some wayward kicking we would have won by a lot more.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #34 –
6 in a row.

I hope Fraser is contemplating taking on the job.

A cynic might say that he's picked as the heir apparent all along...

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
6 in a row.

I hope Fraser is contemplating taking on the job.

A cynic might say that he's picked as the heir apparent all along...
He has to be now, but I’m glad both the club and Fraser are holding firm on their positions and not letting the media badger us into feeding their narrative. Davies stating Fraser has more to learn before being considered was also curious and smacked of a red herring to me trying to throw the hounds off the scent. We’ll know soon enough        , for now the club is giving Fraser clear air to do what he can with the team for the rest of the season.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #36 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
No harmonica this week.

I'd love to know what Davies and Wright are thinking right about now.

You'd have to think we'd be favorites against Richmond. 7 in a row would be sensational.
The way it's going we'll be 2 games from 6th after this weekend unless Adelaide can pluck this one right of  the fire. I'll worry about 10th first though.

2 games and % off 4th if you could believe that.

I don't recall ever seeing a ladder like this before.

4th to 14th is covered by 3 games.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #37 –
Didn't think we played particularly well, Eagles applied very little pressure on the ball carrier and set up poorly defensively. We struggled to deal with Reid's pace and explosiveness. Pitto is a wholehearted trier but the new ruck rules have crucified him and appear to have be written to exclusively punish him....it's going to really hurt us against the stronger teams and it's shake your head kind of stuff. Just bewildering.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #38 –
Not next week.
We need that win...but I reckon it wouldn't be the worst thing to actually drop a game.
Just to get a bit of a check to remind players it's not always going to go our way.
We've seen how they handle the winning.
I'm curious to see how coach and players go when faced with a loss.

It's especially important that we see Fraser coping with a setback if he is going to eventually be part of the process.
It's not a scenario we need to deliberately plan for...it will happen given our draw ahead.
When it does we  just need to realise it's not the end of the world...but an opportunity to assess.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #39 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Didn't think we played particularly well, Eagles applied very little pressure on the ball carrier and set up poorly defensively. We struggled to deal with Reid's pace and explosiveness. Pitto is a wholehearted trier but the new ruck rules have crucified him and appear to have be written to exclusively punish him....it's going to really hurt us against the stronger teams and it's shake your head kind of stuff. Just bewildering.

No doubt the new rules have hurt him. What i noticed having rewatched part of the game was that the umpires are barely throwing it up. If you look at the timing, Williams was running and jumping as soon as the ball left the umpires hands and was reaching the ball at its peak.
This is essentially taking the timing of the jump out of the contest as well.
Previously when bounced, the height would vary. Now the umpires seem to all throw to the same height, at least they all went the same height in the first quarter.

Need to introduce more randomness into it otherwise the jumper always wins.

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #40 –
This was one of those 'danger games' when being the hot favorite was pressure we couldn't handle yet we handled it from the first bounce to the siren and won by 10 goals. Another box ticked. 

It was only a few months ago we were all depressed siting second last with one lucky win against the bottom team -most blamed the list saying it was full of holes, we had no youth, trade weitering, trade Cripps etc etc..... then we change the coach and instantly the switch is flicked - 6 wins in a row is not easy and rarely done by the best teams let alone a list full of holes yet there are still those that want to put a negative spin on everything as they can't let the Voss decision go. 

We have a group of kids playing key defensive roles and doing an amazing job and are a lot more even across the ground. We no longer rely on the same 2 key forwards to kick a bag or Cripps to be superman.  The goal spread is so refreshing and what the best teams have. I'm not suggesting our list is perfect or as strong and deep as the top teams but it is nowhere near in as bad a shape as many thought.

We should have Wilson and Bryne added to Jagga and Dean as rising stars nominations and Dean or Jagga should win it.  Get Weitering fit, add Walker and maybe 1 or 2 FA and another 50 games to the kids and IMO the list will be healthy and stronger than its been in the last 2 decades.

Time to let the Voss stuff go as we have a lot to look forward to. ;)

 

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #41 –
The reality Shawny is that the form of the midfield group has directly equated to the team's result.  Cripps et al. were awful during rounds 1 to 8 but have been dominant since then.  And that worries me greatly going forwards because going forwards that's the group we need to re-vitalise.  We can rely on George and Paddy to be competitive.
Where I think we've greatly improved as a coaching group is there seems to be a preference to play blokes in their best positions, pick the right role players and in general far less cockamamie MC choices.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #42 –
Gotta love what the club is showing and producing at present. No other club would be looking at us as easy beats... especially after half time!! Regaining respect, but still a way to go.

However...

We have yet to beat a very good side in good form, except for our inexplicable 'thing' over the Pussycats.
We've maintained our strong contest and pressure... well embedded... kudos to Vossy.
I love what Frase is doing, especially he and his coaching group's ability to keep strong contest and pressure and effectively introducing dare, risk, changing angles, playing kids and building other parts of the 'modern' game.
However, I aint on the Frase Express yet. Still too early to call. We've passed some tests well, especially yesterday's good win over someone we should beat. Our performance against the Windy Dills was ordinary.
But the real tests lie ahead. Will we back up yesterday's terrific win with an even better performance against the Tiggers? Then we will learn much more against the Dawks, Rottingwood, Brisvegas, the Aints, a better Dishlickers and D1ckers. They'll do their homework on the 'new Blues' which will tests us even further.

Really impressed with Frase's communication. I don't buy comments of 'simple' around his message. Nuh, anything would seem 'simple' after Vossy's word salads over the years. By comparison Frase seems more focussed on all the basics (and broader strategies), not just say... contest and pressure. And he seems to deliver his message, clearly and directly so the players would know exactly what is expected from them, as individuals and a team. That aint 'simple' that's a fundamentals focus which, when done right, builds iron foundations and beams stuff.

And the MC is now getting it right... no sentimental faves getting games with ordinary form! Blokes in the Magoos really have to earn senior selection - that's selection integrity.
And Frase is getting much more from the on-field leaders. The contribution from our on-field leaders has been significantly impactful over the past six weeks. That's buy-in, but... early days. Still a long way to go, but loving what we're doing and how we're 'going for it!'
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 16 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #43 –
I was never particularly impressed with Voss as a match-day coach and I can't help wondering whether Fraser is simply better in this regard - with the benefit of watching the game from an elevated position, instead of from the bench.