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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #30 –
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There were pre-match suggestions that Cripps was sore and might not have played so I am wondering if he was rotated out of the centre square more than usual as a form of protection.
@RiverRat
I was thinking the very same thing, like we were trying to limit further damage or something, because normally there is no way in hell when we are being smashed in clearances that we'd be moving Cripps out!
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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #31 –
A win is a win and seven on the trot is some achievement!

Richmond had the yips in front of goal but some of our set shots were atrocious.  We had 17 marks inside 50 but could only manage ten goals!  Misses from 30 metres and virtually straight in front are inexcusable.

Haynes definitely took the ball over the behind line before he was pinged and that is exactly the kind of howler that the ARC should be used to eliminate.

Then there's the AFL's announcement that umpires will reverse free kicks against players who deliberately ruffle or pat an opponent's head.  Rather than Alger having a shot on the siren at the end of the first quarter, Walsh should have been roosting the ball down the line. Still, it was a brainfade on Walsh's part to give away that free.
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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #32 –
Quote from: DJC – on
A win is a win and seven on the trot is some achievement!
Considering that we were 1 win and 8 losses, every win is appreciated. We bank the 4 points, learn some lessons and move on.

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Richmond had the yips in front of goal but some of our set shots were atrocious.  We had 17 marks inside 50 but could only manage ten goals!  Misses from 30 metres and virtually straight in front are inexcusable.
Kicking at goal appears to be a big problem for us. Just happy George could kick straight. We really have to deal with our goal kicking, as it has cost us games. It has also been a major issue for the 2's.


Quote from: DJC – on
Haynes definitely took the ball over the behind line before he was pinged and that is exactly the kind of howler that the ARC should be used to eliminate.
Just saw the replay of that incident. Haynes was murdered. It was over the line clearly. The ARC is supposed to rule on things like this. As for the Umps, they really need a kick up the posterior. Is there any wonder they get criticism when they do this sort of rubbish. Those umps need to be dropped.

Quote from: DJC – on
Then there's the AFL's announcement that umpires will reverse free kicks against players who deliberately ruffle or pat an opponent's head.  Rather than Alger having a shot on the siren at the end of the first quarter, Walsh should have been roosting the ball down the line. Still, it was a brainfade on Walsh's part to give away that free.
Again, this was unforgiveable. It was bad enough that Walsh did what he did, but the umpires' inability to know the rules means they should be dropped.
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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #33 –
I will watch the replay, as I usually do, but I do wonder how much I will enjoy it.

Having seen this result, the question becomes, how can we improve for next weekend?
We had a few guys down this week who have been significant for us:
[1] Harry McKay: the weather didn't help, nor did the fact that we struggled to get centre breaks, but H really had an ordinary night. he made little impression in the ruck - his first two contests were great, but that was about it. 9 possessions, 3 taps and 4 marks.
To be honest, I think the weather was more of a factor than usual, as we lost some of the precision in our kicking. But we were slow moving the ball, so H had to deal with packs.

[2] Brodie Kemp: his 1st half was excellent, but he struggled after half time. As with H, our slow ball movement and poor kicking didn't help him. But also we had McGovern, was was doing well, in defence, which left us terribly undermanned in the forward line.

[3] Matt Cottrell: Cottrell didn't have a night to remember. He just struggled to get into the game.

[4] Ollie Hollands: Ollie really struggled last night. He fumbled a lot and his kicking was woeful. Also, we didn't see his run and carry either.
Will we bring Acres in? Or do we assume Ollie will be better for the run? To be honest, I don't expect Ollie to be that ordinary two weeks in a row, but I think Acres is important to us.

[5] Jack Ison: Jack is off the boil at the moment. He is fumbling and his kicks are not hitting the target like they did earlier. He did a couple of great things, but is just lacking that confidence he had. Do we give him a rest? It wouldn't hurt him, but who di we bring in? Moir is an option, as he is playing a bit better.

[6] Talor Byrne: Like Ison, Talor is off his best, but he did some crucial things. I would be keeping him in, if just for his tackling and smarts. His pass to the centre from the picket was brilliant.
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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #34 –
our game plan needs to change ess wce and tigers games prove to me that against good sides we will be punished

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #35 –
Rucks, pace and conversion remain big issues
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #36 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
[4] Ollie Hollands: Ollie really struggled last night. He fumbled a lot and his kicking was woeful. Also, we didn't see his run and carry either.
Will we bring Acres in? Or do we assume Ollie will be better for the run? To be honest, I don't expect Ollie to be that ordinary two weeks in a row, but I think Acres is important to us.

Not suggesting for a moment that Ollie was one of our best, but he played on the wing in front of me mostly against Retschko.

He works incredibly hard pushing back as that defensive winger (Acres also very good at this) and had 17.1 metres covered.   The most on the ground of any player on the ground.   Seth Campbell with 14.9 and Newman with 14.2

I thought his game was fairly unremarkable.     He had 1 clanger for the game and 0 turnovers.   He also went at 84.6% with the ball and 77.8% by foot.

Would love to know what the coaches thought of his game

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #37 –
OH just gets whipped by fans for pushing hard and getting to the contest, then under fatigue much like Acres disposal can be variable, but they are running themselves into the ground to get to the contest.

You don't see this disposal variability from other players, because they didn't push hard to get there in the first place, and the opposition had a free uncontested possession. Acres, OH, Cottrell, when they are on automatic they close the gaps.

Of course many fans ball watch, so they don't ever see the lead up effort.

FWIW. My criticism of Acres last week wasn't about his effort, he always works hard to get to the contest. My criticism was he was a bit variable on contesting, to me there should be no choice, no hesitation, contesting should be automatic and instantaneous. Especially a player of Acres size and shape, he's no lightweight frame. Maybe he is still not 100%, as I think was Cripps last night.
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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #38 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Quote from: crashlander – on
[4] Ollie Hollands: Ollie really struggled last night. He fumbled a lot and his kicking was woeful. Also, we didn't see his run and carry either.
Will we bring Acres in? Or do we assume Ollie will be better for the run? To be honest, I don't expect Ollie to be that ordinary two weeks in a row, but I think Acres is important to us.

Not suggesting for a moment that Ollie was one of our best, but he played on the wing in front of me mostly against Retschko.

He works incredibly hard pushing back as that defensive winger (Acres also very good at this) and had 17.1 metres covered.   The most on the ground of any player on the ground.   Seth Campbell with 14.9 and Newman with 14.2

I thought his game was fairly unremarkable.     He had 1 clanger for the game and 0 turnovers.   He also went at 84.6% with the ball and 77.8% by foot.

Would love to know what the coaches thought of his game



No-one could or would ever question Ollie's work rate. It makes him a sentimental favourite with many fans. Personally, I also love his commitment and endeavour.

Stats don't tell us the quality of his disposals, choice of options or footy IQ. Statistically, Acres had almost three times the metres gained in his game against the Weagles last week. And in a territory gained game, that's an important stat... provided disposal accuracy and choice of options hurt the opposition.
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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #39 –
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By rights we should all be doing cartwheels, given we've just notched our 7th consecutive win. That’s pretty rare for any team. But last night has left us feeling flat. The gap between our best and worst is large, and the struggling teams are able to drag us down to their level. We won’t get within 10 goals of Hawthorn if we have a repeat of last night.
As we've found, our form goes up and down according to the level of the opposition. It was the same against Essendon, then we won the next game well against GWS in Sydney, and a 53pt win last week.

I feel more confident beating a side like Freo more easily than beating Richmond. Not to say we would but I'd feel more confident in it.

Looked like last night we were content to do enough and no more then a couple of nasty umpiring decisions caused us real issues suddenly late in the game.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #40 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Quote from: crashlander – on
[4] Ollie Hollands: Ollie really struggled last night. He fumbled a lot and his kicking was woeful. Also, we didn't see his run and carry either.
Will we bring Acres in? Or do we assume Ollie will be better for the run? To be honest, I don't expect Ollie to be that ordinary two weeks in a row, but I think Acres is important to us.

Not suggesting for a moment that Ollie was one of our best, but he played on the wing in front of me mostly against Retschko.

He works incredibly hard pushing back as that defensive winger (Acres also very good at this) and had 17.1 metres covered.   The most on the ground of any player on the ground.   Seth Campbell with 14.9 and Newman with 14.2

I thought his game was fairly unremarkable.     He had 1 clanger for the game and 0 turnovers.   He also went at 84.6% with the ball and 77.8% by foot.

Would love to know what the coaches thought of his game

I'm a fan of OH, but i found that selection a bit puzzling.

What did OH provide that Acres wasn't providing already?
Did OH do anything better than Acres?

Long term, sure, get more games into Ollie.....but i thought it was a bit of a risk and a slap in the face to Acres.
I would've had both in the team and dropped Ison personally.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #41 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I would've had both in the team and dropped Ison personally.
I thought the same, I think Ison is overdue a break, he did a couple of important things at opportune moments, but at this time he's just not getting enough footy to hold that high half forward role.

Having said that, who does it short term? There is no doubt Ison has what is needed long term. I had hoped one of the Campos, but if the OH disposal makes fans fume then the Campos at the moment would send them insane!

My mate said yesterday, if Weiters returns do we rotate Derksen forward and put Kemp into that high half forward role? If nothing else, Derksen should be taking some confidence into F50 from his last few weeks.
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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #42 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Shakin77 – on


Not suggesting for a moment that Ollie was one of our best, but he played on the wing in front of me mostly against Retschko.

He works incredibly hard pushing back as that defensive winger (Acres also very good at this) and had 17.1 metres covered.   The most on the ground of any player on the ground.   Seth Campbell with 14.9 and Newman with 14.2

I thought his game was fairly unremarkable.     He had 1 clanger for the game and 0 turnovers.   He also went at 84.6% with the ball and 77.8% by foot.

Would love to know what the coaches thought of his game



No-one could or would ever question Ollie's work rate. It makes him a sentimental favourite with many fans. Personally, I also love his commitment and endeavour.

Stats don't tell us the quality of his disposals, choice of options or footy IQ. Statistically, Acres had almost three times the metres gained in his game against the Weagles last week. And in a territory gained game, that's an important stat... provided disposal accuracy and choice of options hurt the opposition.

It was a different game.   The Tigers like to turn it into the scrap and have a lot of congestion.

I would argue that Disposal efficiency is a good indication of how efficient his disposal is.   The Other stuff like choice of options or footy IQ is more subjective.   I just can't remember any howlers with the ball.

In regards to metres gain.   Yeah agree.

Might need to factor in however that we had 71 (31.5%) extra uncontested possession and 41 (40.59%) more marks against the Eagles than the Tigers.   It was a much more open game.

Add to that MCG in the rain on a Saturday night vrs Saturday afternoon under the lid at Marvel in perfect conditions.  

Like I said I don't think he was remarkable by any measure.    Thought his game was meddling at best.  

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #43 –
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Quote from: Thryleon – on
Are the revisionists going to tell us we are remarkably different under Fraser?



Remarkably? No. Better? Yes.

Sorry different.

Are we remarkably different?

I thought the improvement was palpable between coaches?

I ask this because im abroad and havent seen us play any of our matches since the cats game.
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Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #44 –
Were we better last night than round 1?

All the easy teams are gone now the real stuff begins.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!