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Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #135 –
We'll see tonight hey.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #136 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Still no explanation on the massive turn around in Cripps and Walsh's form/fitness in particular, the captain couldnt run out of sight on a dark night during last quarters under Voss and looked like the next club he would be playing for would be the Arcare or Aveo old boys. 

Shhhh.     Add McKay

We can't talk about these things.    Fixture the only difference between Rounds 0-7 and the Fraser Era.

I am here to call out the BS that there has been "zero" change to the game style, pressure, player role changes and that we we have been working on it all pre-season and in season it was there to see in the 2nd half against the Lions.

Only a change in fixture.    Everything else the same.

Pretty sure McKay has been covered a few times, but i can't make you read it.

But tell me.....what exactly has Fraser done to Cripps....removed the Voss shaped kryptonite from around his neck?

He was back in the coaches votes for the first time since R1 richmond game. How did we conspire to give him votes that game (and every game since) given that not only do we need to rig our votes, we need to rig the oppositions votes as well.
This conspiracy goes deeper and deeper the more you look!
We've got the whole AFL to work together on undermining Vossy now.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #137 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
FFS let it go
The very first part of correcting previous errors is admitting them, as a club we've been making the same error for 20 years, burning all the good from the past and repeating the same mistakes, and when fans cling to this messiah Fraser notion that is denying the successes and errors of the past.

You have to learn from the past to move forward, all of it, good and bad. Surely as a club we aren't so stupid as not to have learned anything in two decades? Who the feck are we, CheatsFC!

Carlton fans should be happy about the reports coming from Fraser, Cripps, Walsh, etc., etc., about building on the successful execution of tactics started weeks and months ago, because it puts us further down the track than the stupidity of a full reset that would send us back to square one, yet again.

That's my FFS, fans gobbling the knobs the media types better remember being an AFL Media type is basically the career path for Past Player Clark Kents who are otherwise shizen at coaching! ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #138 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Shakin77 – on


Shhhh.     Add McKay

We can't talk about these things.    Fixture the only difference between Rounds 0-7 and the Fraser Era.

I am here to call out the BS that there has been "zero" change to the game style, pressure, player role changes and that we we have been working on it all pre-season and in season it was there to see in the 2nd half against the Lions.

Only a change in fixture.    Everything else the same.

Pretty sure McKay has been covered a few times, but i can't make you read it.

But tell me.....what exactly has Fraser done to Cripps....removed the Voss shaped kryptonite from around his neck?

He was back in the coaches votes for the first time since R1 richmond game. How did we conspire to give him votes that game (and every game since) given that not only do we need to rig our votes, we need to rig the oppositions votes as well.
This conspiracy goes deeper and deeper the more you look!
We've got the whole AFL to work together on undermining Vossy now.

Cripps (and Walsh and McKay) have all been remarkably better since Voss left.    Fact we all agree on.

You can assume that it's changes that Voss had made that hadn't kicked in yet, the fixture and a recovery to the body greater than Lazarus.  

Or it's more help on this inside in Hewett, Ainsworth and Smith and less Contests.   Maybe a less taxing game plan and holding on the ball a little bit to slow down momentum?   Maybe neither of these things?

The real reasons?  You don't really know.   None of us do.

If you want to give Fraser 0% credit for any changes regardless of how small that's ok.  



Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #139 –
Re:  The conspiracy stuff with the Cripps?

Did you borrow LP's Tin foil hat?    Bizarre take   

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #140 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Cripps (and Walsh and McKay) have all been remarkably better for longer since Voss left.    That's a fact.
Corrected for accuracy.

They been better over a full 4-qtrs instead of just 3-qtrs, and that makes all the difference when you have a history of losing games by just a goal or two!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #141 –
I still maintain that our 0 and 7 record was not as bad as advertised and that we lost a few games in critical moments where a few individuals lost rheir heads than anything greatly changed.

Irrespective like Lods no one is going to change their minds, but you dont build big scores and hold teams to 0 goals for half a gane by poor coaching.  The momentum swinging away at critical moments an obvious problem that seems to be fixed now which has persisted a long time.  Ive not seen enough footy to see the in game trend myself but we seem to have gone into finishing stronger in games.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #142 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Still no explanation on the massive turn around in Cripps and Walsh's form/fitness in particular, the captain couldnt run out of sight on a dark night during last quarters under Voss and looked like the next club he would be playing for would be the Arcare or Aveo old boys.
It's been explained frequently by many of us, some are not absorbing that discussion because it contradicts their personal beliefs. Fraser is not a messiah, yet too many Carlton fans seem addicted to the concept. I'll summarise for you;

Early in the season Cripps and Walsh were cooked in last quarters because too many were sitting back letting too few do the heavy lifting, there was no load sharing. Hewett and Cerra were playing like receivers, skirting packs, waiting for cheap possessions, Voss dropped Hewett because of it and he returned renewed, that's called a wake up call.

This claimed "massive turned around" is a mirage, we've been steadily building over the whole season. The conversion of losses to wins is just a swing of a handful of points, swings that result from a handful turnovers in our favour and less errors executing the very same game plan we've played all season.

The majority of it is a consequence of sharing the load, allowing our best players to be fresher at the final siren.
Cripps was capped at 80% time on ground under Voss and has played more under Fraser 80-85% .
I actually think Voss went out of his way to look after his main man...
Bont averages about 83.8 % time on ground and Nick Daicos 87%...so Im not buying workload for such a dramatic change in form/fitness...

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #143 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Cripps was capped at 80% time on ground under Voss and has played more under Fraser 80-85% .
I actually think Voss went out of his way to look after his main man...
Bont averages about 83.8 % time on ground and Nick Daicos 87%...so Im not buying workload for such a dramatic change in form/fitness...
Cripps was running dry, I doubt it means much because TOG isn't a measure of influence. Early in the season he and Walsh toiled relentlessly but in the later stages having zero impact. They aren't humanly capable of maintaining such a solo effort for 4-qtrs, nobody is!

They needed help.

The other thing that gets them fresher to the end of games is improved efficiency, less wasted effort, so less fatigue. Now we see blokes persisting until we win the footy, not surrendering after a 3rd or 4th effort, and not turning it over on the 2nd or 3rd possession in the chain. Practise makes perfect, it's not a miracle!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #144 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
Re:  The conspiracy stuff with the Cripps?

Did you borrow LP's Tin foil hat?    Bizarre take

Clearly misunderstood the tone of that response  ::)

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #146 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
The club and players have.
Which makes the position of some fans even more bizarre, you can clearly see from this forum that many fans hold beliefs not consistent with the messages delivered by the players.

Even their heroes telling them events are otherwise cannot persuade them to let go of the messiah or miracle synopsis. The fans even assert the players are telling a rehearsed lie to justify those personal beliefs.

I'd prefer to think that Occam's Razor applies.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #147 –
Then I see a scoreline like today, and wonder, without seeing it, is it REALLY any different?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson