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Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #17 –
We can redeem ourselves next week but I'm betting we don't.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #18 –
Freo, Hawthorn, Geelong get smashed in recent weeks and 'it's the loss they needed to have'. We get touched up after 7 straight wins and the guy can't coach, the team is crap, no game plan etc, etc!!  Shocking conditions for the first half and we didn't adapt, granted. Tried our guts out in a quarter of slug fest football when anything in the forward 50 was a bonus..... only to have the absolute wind taken out of our sails by the worst 50m penalty of the decade! A day of learning.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #19 –
Riley looked okay but it was disappointing that the coach didn't trust him enough to start the final three quarters in the ruck.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #20 –
We lost the game when Pitto was out: Meek dominated, giving them first use of the ball. Our mids didn't run out of the front once.

The Umpiring: I don't want to go there. There are limits to what was acceptable, and those clowns we had to tonight were far too far past them. Those decisions were unforgivable. And they gifted Hawthorn goals they didn't deserve.

We probably won't complain, but we really should.

Their skills held up under the poor conditions, while ours didn't. After that we lost confidence and they had their tails up.

Our forwards: Mitch McGovern was the only one who can put his hand up. Kemp was dreadful. H didn't do a lot.
One ruck works when it works: it didn't work tonight. Young Flynn Riley showed something, but he needs a lot more muscle to beat guys like Meek.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #21 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Riley looked okay but it was disappointing that the coach didn't trust him enough to start the final three quarters in the ruck.
I thought that was a big mistake.  It robbed our forward line of any height to at least compete, it meant part-timer Harry was up against a seasoned ruckman, and we were on the back foot in each quarter.

The other thing that was obvious was the difference in skill level.  We went for some ridiculous handpasses and kicks that would even be difficult to execute in the dry, and turnovers killed us.   Hawthorn are the best wet-weather team in the game, and put the ball into dangerous positions when going forward using wet-weather smarts.  It's like our lot have never seen rain before. 

Unfortunately, it seems we are still miles off the pace.  Imagine if Watson, Battle, Weddle had played.

At least now we will find out if Fraser can coach - if he can get them up for next week, 
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #22 –
Comprehensively beaten

Outmuscled-too easily brushed aside.
Outlasted-we looked pretty exhausted at the end.
Ouclassed- They're a level above us. We were missing players, but so were they.

Flynn Riley is only 22. Played his first game and probably got a bit of a lesson from Meek.
But there were signs there that he could be a pretty valuable addition with a couple more preseasons.
He was one of those that looked pretty tired at the end and there were a few occasions when he was late to the contest and sometimes didn't even contest.

But when Pittonet comes back I'd be keeping him in the side...as a second ruck/forward.
Kemp is not the answer.
Put Riley up there. It couldn't be less effective.
Our forward line was completely dysfunctional last night.

Special mention to Frankie Evans though who tried his guts out last night.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #23 –
We weren't beating Hawthorn no matter who was coach.

I don't understand why Fraser’s participation in the interview process for next coach should be tethered to wins against Hawks and Collingwood. This seems like bizarre logic to me.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #24 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
We weren't beating Hawthorn no matter who was coach.

I don't understand why Fraser’s participation in the interview process for next coach should be tethered to wins against Hawks and Collingwood. This seems like bizarre logic to me.
Just media speculation, we’ve said it many times but given the level of media saturation everyone is scrambling for an angle for relevance. We can be cynical about the media but they play an important part in maintains income for the game.
As for Fraser, he has the perfect platform for his audition assuming he wants it as has been said many times before.
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #25 –
Horrible conditions horrible umpiring and they played the conditions so much better then us.

Losing George early hurt but our forwards being constantly behind in those conditions was dumb and the first cross against Fraser.

Still we were bound to drop a game and in those conditions against a top 4 team im not surprised- next week is a better game to see where we sit imo.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #26 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
We weren't beating Hawthorn no matter who was coach.

I don't understand why Fraser’s participation in the interview process for next coach should be tethered to wins against Hawks and Collingwood. This seems like bizarre logic to me.

Such logic is predicated on the assumption that we've not actually been really challenged by a top side in good form, except, maybe the Pussycats game. So, not really a bizarre logic but rather understandable, whether reasonable or not regarding judging Frase. I was one of those suggesting this logic but did so in terms of learning more about Frase, our on-field leadership and the group as a whole.

Then the heavens opened and our opponent became the conditions, which we didn't handle as well as the Dawks. Not by a long shot. So judging Frase on this game, to address your reasonable point, would be a folly. A game to move on from very quickly and just take the important 'learnings' (a new, tiresome cliche) regarding wet weather footy. Good lesson for the kids and on-field leaders.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #27 –
Besides the fact it is time to replace the coach, Hawthorn was coming off a bad loss and were really on from the start, especially Ginnivan. They were too big and strong, better organised, had better skills, a better run with the umpires, and put us to the sword when they had the opportunity to do so. This result shows how much we need to improve, but I think it can be done by having Weitering and O'Farrell on the park and having more goal kicking options up forward, like Moir, though he needs to improve. I wouldn't mind running McKay as our main ruck and having O'Keeffe as the backup in the short term as Riley develops.
To the clown behind me last night, the continual abuse of Chol was borderline racist, if borderline.  And if you have nothing positive to say about your team, don't waste everybody's time by continually saying it.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #28 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Riley looked okay but it was disappointing that the coach didn't trust him enough to start the final three quarters in the ruck.
I suspect out of everybody at the club, on this forum, in the football public and in the AFL media, that Josh Fraser knows a thing or two more about managing a young ruck through a first game than most.

And ignoring the ruck specific issues, how young players are managed early in their career can set the tone for their whole career, not so much the loss of contest but the loss of confidence, the psychological damage. I do not want to see young Riley up to be some clown's career bitch. Riley did OK in horrendous conditions for a young lightweight marking ruckmen, and my thoughts are if Fraser thought that was enough exposure it was enough!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #29 –
The bloke who pleasantly surprised me again last night was Derksen, I get he fumbled some marks in horrendous conditions, but you have to put that into context, he out positioned opponents and read the ball better to get there in the marking position in the first place. The mark itself is a confidence and experience thing.

FWIW, Smith had the fumbles as well, looking up instead of taking the footy, that is a first season player issue, he'll be better by the time he's in the 50 to 75 game range.

Evans showed us he is a genuine 24x7 player, he doesn't play the scoreboard, I hope some of his peers take note. I'd say after last night he's cemented in as one of our SFs, at least he would be if I was MC or Coach.

As for the umpiring, I understand the howlers in those conditions, but I do not understand the early gamer asymmetry. Ignore the stats, we were being given mystery frees in D50 late just to even things up, even the Dawks were looking bemused.

I'd never understood "Free Kick Hawthorn" before, I'd never really noticed, but I get it now! As for the most experienced umpire, he looked a bit Mr Magoo, all befuddled, time for retirement.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"