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Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #45 –
Personally, we started getting a bit lairy, and were playing selfish footy which resulted in the turnover game being what it was.

The doggies went small and ran, ran, ran against us.

We didnt fare badly, but execution errors really murdered us.  Lots of missed handballs.  They didnt execute particularly well either, and they set up to chop of the uncontested short football game we had been playing by really applying the pressure, and we needed to play "longer" at times, but failed to take the opportunity.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The Bulldogs are a funny side they seem to have patches of good or bad results for four or five games at a time
They've beaten the Lions, Adelaide, Collingwood, Melbourne and Hawthorn
Yet their attack is one of the poorest in the comp-ranking around 14th "for points for"
They were on top of the ladder after round 5 and were 12th by round 9
A real Jekyll and Hyde team.
I thought they were very good on the weekend and their pressure threw us off the style we'd been playing in the previous weeks. As a result the errors and turnovers occurred.
It was probably typical of our games in the early part of the year...good in parts, not so hot in others.
Yes, when the Dogs are on they are really good. On Sunday, they were outstanding, right at their best.

A combination of their high pressure and the fact we that we lost our composure too trying to hammer in for the final nail to stitch up our Wildcard spot, threw us off our game.

Wouldn't be against them beating the Dees this weekend, meaning Melbourne would play us in the Wildcard round. My playing preference, in order, for our wildcard game is Melbourne, Adelaide, even if it is there, they can be brittle on those occassions, with Collingwood, who are flying, rise to big occasion, and so mentally tough, a distant 3rd.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #47 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
At the start of the season Champion data ranked the Bulldogs as the strongest list in the comp. That doesn't guarantee success but it shows they are a talented squad. Ed Richards has been a top 10 player all season, the other 9 players are all superstars but no one talks about Ed.
I have always rated Richards very highly, he is the exact type of speedy ball user that we need.
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
2026-Slow start, we can kick after all, why not?

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #48 –
Quote from: laj – on
Quote from: Lods – on
The Bulldogs are a funny side they seem to have patches of good or bad results for four or five games at a time
They've beaten the Lions, Adelaide, Collingwood, Melbourne and Hawthorn
Yet their attack is one of the poorest in the comp-ranking around 14th "for points for"
They were on top of the ladder after round 5 and were 12th by round 9
A real Jekyll and Hyde team.
I thought they were very good on the weekend and their pressure threw us off the style we'd been playing in the previous weeks. As a result the errors and turnovers occurred.
It was probably typical of our games in the early part of the year...good in parts, not so hot in others.
Yes, when the Dogs are on they are really good. On Sunday, they were outstanding, right at their best.

A combination of their high pressure and the fact we that we lost our composure too trying to hammer in for the final nail to stitch up our Wildcard spot, threw us off our game.

Wouldn't be against them beating the Dees this weekend, meaning Melbourne would play us in the Wildcard round. My playing preference, in order, for our wildcard game is Melbourne, Adelaide, even if it is there, they can be brittle on those occassions, with Collingwood, who are flying, rise to big occasion, and so mentally tough, a distant 3rd.

Anyone, Anywhere, Any time.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The Bulldogs are a funny side they seem to have patches of good or bad results for four or five games at a time
They've beaten the Lions, Adelaide, Collingwood, Melbourne and Hawthorn
Yet their attack is one of the poorest in the comp-ranking around 14th "for points for"
They were on top of the ladder after round 5 and were 12th by round 9
A real Jekyll and Hyde team.
I thought they were very good on the weekend and their pressure threw us off the style we'd been playing in the previous weeks. As a result the errors and turnovers occurred.
It was probably typical of our games in the early part of the year...good in parts, not so hot in others.

Darcy was a huge loss.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: laj – on
Yes, when the Dogs are on they are really good. On Sunday, they were outstanding, right at their best.

A combination of their high pressure and the fact we that we lost our composure too trying to hammer in for the final nail to stitch up our Wildcard spot, threw us off our game.

Wouldn't be against them beating the Dees this weekend, meaning Melbourne would play us in the Wildcard round. My playing preference, in order, for our wildcard game is Melbourne, Adelaide, even if it is there, they can be brittle on those occassions, with Collingwood, who are flying, rise to big occasion, and so mentally tough, a distant 3rd.

Anyone, Anywhere, Any time.
In the end, that too.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #51 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Quote from: Lods – on
The Bulldogs are a funny side they seem to have patches of good or bad results for four or five games at a time
They've beaten the Lions, Adelaide, Collingwood, Melbourne and Hawthorn
Yet their attack is one of the poorest in the comp-ranking around 14th "for points for"
They were on top of the ladder after round 5 and were 12th by round 9
A real Jekyll and Hyde team.
I thought they were very good on the weekend and their pressure threw us off the style we'd been playing in the previous weeks. As a result the errors and turnovers occurred.
It was probably typical of our games in the early part of the year...good in parts, not so hot in others.

Darcy was a huge loss.
That loss couldn't have been bigger.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I have always rated Richards very highly, he is the exact type of speedy ball user that we need.
Agreed, rare as rocking horse shizen, strong in the contest yet with speed on the outside, very few have those two qualities combined. At any one time in the AFL there is probably only 5 or 6 like that, who can also perform at a high level, when you add size to that like Judd you have a genuine freak.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #53 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
On occasion, we have a problem converting dominance into scoreboard results - 20 points up 10 mins into the second quarter, we should have been looking to turn the screw.  Instead, we became patchy again, and our inside 50 delivery was appalling.  Same thing happened in the Rich and Ess games a few weeks back. 

It's like we 'pitch' our game to the level of the opposition - and if you give an opponent a second chance, they will probably exploit the offer.  We are simply not ruthless enough yet to squash teams consistently.

Bevo out-coached Fraser with centre clearances - we started so well, but let them take control.  And yet their plan was so simple - hit it straight down, Libba in and under as usual feeding it out to Richards, Sanders and others for a simple take away.

Hoping this isn't the 'real' Blues, as opposed to the side that smashed Brisbane with precision kicking and perfect F50 craft.

I thought that we dominated the game but some wayward kicking from quarter time onwards kept the Bulldogs in the contest.  The only stat that we "lost" was inside 50s and I guess that shows how well our defence held up.

I was surprised to see that our disposal efficiency was much better.  Where, when and how you turn the ball over can be more important than how many times you turn it over.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #54 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I thought that we dominated the game but some wayward kicking from quarter time onwards kept the Bulldogs in the contest.
100% agree, the stats are most likely good because we had 2, 3 or 4 good disposals in the row then burnt the last one, at least that is what I saw but I wasn't there live!

It's probably another good example of how stats can retrospectively paint the wrong picture, or cause people to draw the wrong conclusions.

I particularly noted in the 2nd half on event, we ran the footy out of D50 through CHB to the Wing then towards the HFF. We had setup with CHF vacant, and both Kemp and McGovern started deep with space to lead into. Yet we baulked at that centering kick and forced McGovern to double back and lead into the pocket. Fortunately, McGovern clunked the mark, and fortunately the Dogs had run up towards the ball carrier leaving space behind. I saw Fraser's eyes rolling in the coach's box and he made an arc with his hand like he'd also expected us to the centre the pill and not head to the pocket. Fans will celebrate that play, but the reality is it's easy to kill the footy in the pocket, and if McGovern had not marked the Dogs had the numbers to run the footy back for a full field length turnover, our Mids were pushing towards CHF 20m away from where we kicked the pill leaving nobody to crumb. That makes our lot look slow because we are caught out of position.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel

Reply #55 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: DJC – on
I thought that we dominated the game but some wayward kicking from quarter time onwards kept the Bulldogs in the contest.
100% agree, the stats are most likely good because we had 2, 3 or 4 good disposals in the row then burnt the last one, at least that is what I saw but I wasn't there live!

It's probably another good example of how stats can retrospectively paint the wrong picture, or cause people to draw the wrong conclusions.

Yes, we had a bazillion more disposals than the Doggies and most hit the target, as our bazillion more uncontested marks shows.

More often than not, that ill-directed or overly aggressive kick came at the start of what should have been a possession chain.  That often gave the Dishlickers the pill forward of their defensive 50 and their rebound caught our mids and defenders out of position.

It seems to me that, if we nail the first couple of disposals, we’ll usually put together a chain of possessions that results in an inside 50. 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball