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Re: post match dogs

Reply #60 –
our defenders is the wrong way to look at things , we should be more looking at TEAM defence  players running back to fill the holes /spaces have you ever noticed how teams score easy goals against us 

Re: post match dogs

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Re: post match dogs

Reply #63 –
Quote from: pew2 – on
our defenders is the wrong way to look at things , we should be more looking at TEAM defence  players running back to fill the holes /spaces have you ever noticed how teams score easy goals against us 

Last week was the first time in a while we got opened right up. Weitering is too slow to be pushing that high up the ground. Lucky they didn't have their kicking boots on.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: post match dogs

Reply #64 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on

Last week was the first time in a while we got opened right up. Weitering is too slow to be pushing that high up the ground. Lucky they didn't have their kicking boots on.
That's blaming the effect for being the cause.

The cause was 2 or 3 possessions earlier and 50m further away when the Dogs walked through our tackles like they we were giving them a pat on the back! It was the weakest effort for many months., Freijah, Libba, Kennedy, Richards, they had our lot rattled.

You have to ask yourself this question, how did the Dogs forwards find themselves surrounded by 50m of free space, and yet the Dogs mids strolled through the midfield largely untouched, where were all the players? If the Dogs F50 was so open, there should have been numbers, congestion and traffic further up the field, progress should have been slow, but they moved the footy freely! The Dogs got in their own way more than we did!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: post match dogs

Reply #65 –
I disagree.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: post match dogs

Reply #66 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: madbluboy – on

Last week was the first time in a while we got opened right up. Weitering is too slow to be pushing that high up the ground. Lucky they didn't have their kicking boots on.
That's blaming the effect for being the cause.

The cause was 2 or 3 possessions earlier and 50m further away when the Dogs walked through our tackles like they we were giving them a pat on the back! It was the weakest effort for many months., Freijah, Libba, Kennedy, Richards, they had our lot rattled.

You have to ask yourself this question, how did the Dogs forwards find themselves surrounded by 50m of free space, and yet the Dogs mids strolled through the midfield largely untouched, where were all the players? If the Dogs F50 was so open, there should have been numbers, congestion and traffic further up the field, progress should have been slow, but they moved the footy freely! The Dogs got in their own way more than we did!

Seems we were watching different games, Spotted One. What I saw was the Dishlickers go after our strengths and succeed, to a degree... but we found a way to fight through this and level the scores - unheard of a few months ago. They had about 10 more inside fifties than us, yet our defense was able to minimize the impact. We were hunted and found wanting in a number of areas but still found a way to recover from a seven point deficit late in the game. So, credit to the Dishlickers and credit to us.

Learning how to deal with being hunted will be a part of our development.

Never did I see us allow any Dishlicker player 'walk through' our tackles.

Neither side in the second half was able to 'control' the game. And from a spectator perspective it was a ripper of a contest, flaws and mistakes included.

We're a work in progress with still a long way to go, as Frase has articulated clearly, on a number of occasions.

And I also saw what MBB pointed out, Weiters did often seem all at sea which disrupted our offensive efforts and run out of defense (launching attacks from defense), a strength of recent times.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17
 

Re: post match dogs

Reply #67 –
Me too.

The Ed Richards would be winner came about because Weiters and Pittonet got into a screaming match and the Bulldogs played on quickly whilst Weiters was too busy pointing fingers and at least 3 other conversations were going on elsewhere as a result.

Luckily we got the next 2 scores, and tied the game up.

We laid 62 tackles to the bulldogs 55, but they had double the tackles inside 50 to ours of 16 vs 8.  The average of the afl comes in at 11.  So why did they manage to go to elite levels of forward 50 tackles?  Probably us welcoming pressure.

Weiters is a gun, but he often makes teamates go into their shells.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: post match dogs

Reply #68 –
The Bulldogs had 58 inside 50s to our 48.  That indicates a breakdown in team defence and significantly more pressure on our defenders, as does the Bulldogs 16 tackles inside 50.

Despite that, our defenders, ably led by Weiters, allowed the Bulldogs only ten marks inside 50 and prevented them from kicking a winning score.  Weiters took as many marks as the Doggies’ forwards did inside 50 but he did take several up the ground.  Our defenders grabbed 50 marks between them, most inside our defensive 50.

It’s our midfield coaches that need to address defensive deficiencies, not Ash Hansen.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: post match dogs

Reply #69 –
I thought we looked slow and unbalanced with Weitering in the side.  Derkson or him, not both.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: post match dogs

Reply #70 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I thought we looked slow and unbalanced with Weitering in the side.  Derkson or him, not both.
We'll be better with Young in the side this week.
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
2026-Slow start, we can kick after all, why not?

Re: post match dogs

Reply #71 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
I thought we looked slow and unbalanced with Weitering in the side.  Derkson or him, not both.
We'll be better with Young in the side this week.

How we use him will be interesting.
I want to see more of Derksen forward, but for this game it might be a better option to move Derksen  back into Haynes's spot and play Young as a forward/ruck.

Re: post match dogs

Reply #72 –
Quote from: Baggers – on

Never did I see us allow any Dishlicker player 'walk through' our tackles.
I have no idea how anyone could miss it throughout the 1st half!

Even now retrospectively the stats post-game looked even, but in real time the top ranked to 1/2-time was Dog dominated. We were burning entries into F50, they were taking it end to end and wasting shots on goal, lucky for us.

So many contests, we outnumbered the Dogs at the fall of the ball, and that underDog won! I think a few even posted as much in the game thread, about our return to the bad ways!

What I will say is this, Derksen didn't work forward, what I won't claim is that he would've been any better than Weitering if Derksen had been in D50!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: post match dogs

Reply #73 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: Baggers – on

Never did I see us allow any Dishlicker player 'walk through' our tackles.
I have no idea how anyone could miss it throughout the 1st half!

Even now retrospectively the stats post-game looked even, but in real time the top ranked to 1/2-time was Dog dominated. We were burning entries into F50, they were taking it end to end and wasting shots on goal, lucky for us.

The Dishlickers came after our strengths and, being still young in our 'newer' layer of offense and spread, were caught out... but... we adapted and adjusted in the second half and that is a big credit to players and coaches alike. That's a positive sign and a part of our growth, with plenty still to come and needed to advance up the ladder. We're a work in progress and shouldn't be hung, drawn and quartered for mistakes - it's a part of learning.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: post match dogs

Reply #74 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
The Dishlickers came after our strengths and, being still young in our 'newer' layer of offense and spread, were caught out... but... we adapted and adjusted in the second half and that is a big credit to players and coaches alike. That's a positive sign and a part of our growth, with plenty still to come and needed to advance up the ladder. We're a work in progress and shouldn't be hung, drawn and quartered for mistakes - it's a part of learning.
I posted earlier in the thread that I wasn't at this game, I won't go to icicle nosebleed stadium. I'm only analysing video from the AFL and Kayo.

But I had some mates there, and from a behind the goals vantage point they both tell me Weitering was one of the main reasons after half time for our lift in performance. They said he became far more vocal and assertive after halftime making sure players got to the right spots at the right time. The trouble is most of that early work the cameras never show, it's over and done long before the footy arrives with the cameras following. The blokes that arrive late at the last possible moment and effect the big mark or spoil often get all the kudos, but the very best defenders get the job done before the ball even arrives. You should expect to see this sort of change in young Dean over the next couple of seasons, some fans will think he is going off the boil, when in reality he is getting better at his job, he'll go from winning contested chaos to boring "mise en place".
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"