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Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #75 –
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Young has to go,  as does McGovern, Acres,  plus 1 or 2 others who are not up to it.  


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #76 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Quote from: Bluesers – on
Young has to go,  as does McGovern, Acres,  plus 1 or 2 others who are not up to it.  


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #77 –
Quote from: tex – on
Quote from: RiverRat – on


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?

With that logic none of our players should be persisted with.

Its the worst way to manage a list.  You never go forwards because you cast off players who might have a bigger say than others at that point in their careers.  Some of the guys we are going to cut are in the prime of their career and have max 2 years of their best footy in them.

Some of the guys we are going to keep are a week to week proposition.

Some of them have 10 years of footy in front of them.

Which ones isnt about whos in our next flag, its whos going to play for us next season.  Guys like newman and haynes are unlikely to feature in our next flag, but come round 1 2027, they're in line for selection because they're good enough.

Thats how you breed competition for spots, and hunger to win a flag.  Not by rewarding kids because they might be good enough one day, or by flinging loose 27 year olds because they arent Wayne Carey.   Thats cutting players for the sake of it.

Who goes should solely be about what comes in to replace them and what else can realistically be rexruited to replace them.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #78 –
Quote from: tex – on
Quote from: RiverRat – on


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?

There isn't anyone else, this is the problem.
We have refused to draft someone to move into these roles when we know they are not up to it.
HOK was the great white hope and turned out to be a lot worse than young.

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #79 –
Quote from: tex – on
Quote from: RiverRat – on


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?

With so many teams in the league (and another one on the way) the depth of talent has never been worse and the mechanisms for recruiting or developing better players (especially tall options) have never been so strained.  You only need to look at our VFL team to realise that the number of players capable of playing better than guys like Young  are few and far between.

Dropping players from the list - just because of limitations to their potential ceilings - could well consign a club to long-term failure - e.g. since 1995.

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #80 –
Was Austins greatest failing that he couldn't find a couple of understudy KPF's and the reason why he was shown the door?

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #81 –
Quote from: bratblue – on
Was Austins greatest failing that he couldn't find a couple of understudy KPF's and the reason why he was shown the door?

No, because as we know, our list management is determined by committee with the coach, head of football and CEO all involved and sharing responsibility for direction and decisions.  Another couple of KPPs would be nice, but not if they're like Harry Lemmey or Josh Schache.

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #82 –
Quote from: DJC – on

No, because as we know, our list management is determined by committee with the coach, head of football and CEO all involved and sharing responsibility for direction and decisions.  Another couple of KPPs would be nice, but not if they're like Harry Lemmey or Josh Schache.
It's not lost on me, that only a short while ago when we had Lemmey and a couple of others, a lot of fans complained the list was top heavy. At the time fans were content with Harry and Charlie with Pitto on hand and TDK coming into contention, and most were busy screaming for more midfield depth.

Now we have a midfield bonanza, at least at the moment, TDK and Charlie have buggered off, and all of a sudden it's list mismanagement!

Some navigate list management like Captain Jack Sparrow's crazy compass, always pointing to what you desire without showing you a direction!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #83 –
Showed you a list management thread from years ago and you ignored it. Then you wait a few weeks and come back with the same lies.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #84 –
Quote from: tex – on
Quote from: RiverRat – on


Not until we recruit or develop better options.

Young earned his place in the team after spending much of the season in the VFL
Young had reached his ceiling and found wanting at AFL.
Best to give someone else a go. Even a MSD pick might be OK

Why do we persist with players that won’t be part of a premiership team?
We've had a trillion players come and go since out last flag so god knows who'll be in our next premiership team, although after this year and another pre-season to properly work on things we may have much of the side hopefully now. Even premiership teams have average players.

I don't know what to do with Young. Let him go, keep him for depth. He looked like being damn close to a premiership player in 2021 when the Dogs led by 19pts just past midway through the 3rd qtr. Then, like Geelong last year, suddenly fell in a complete heap. Before you get rid of him, the question is, can be find a better option.

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #85 –
Quote from: bratblue – on
Was Austins greatest failing that he couldn't find a couple of understudy KPF's and the reason why he was shown the door?
The perception of your List Manager comes down to whether you're winning and losing at the time. This year we did both in blocks this year. Looked a dud for a while, now looks good with who is performing. List Manager can pick the players, then up to the development, with the draftees at least.

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #86 –
We had a pretty balanced list....probably just needed a bit of run.
Then a Key forward, an athletic ruck/ forward and a key defender gave us the old 'finger' and walked out the door.
They left.
They turned their back on us.
We can debate who or what was responsible for that... ::)
It wouldn't have been close to being all on Austin.

Austin's draft/trade strategy through much of 2025 would not have been geared to replacing Curnow and Silvagni.
He probably would have accepted he couldn't match the DeKoning offer.
He was thrown a curve with the departures, but handled it quite well.
It took a bit of time, and it wasn't until towards the second half of the season we saw the fruits of some of those labours.

Few lists are complete.
We're a work in progress, with some good youth coming through.
Obviously though, there were some shortcomings identified in Austin's work, and it will be interesting to see the focus during this years trade and draft period.
That may give us an indication of where Austin fell short of expectations.

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #87 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: bratblue – on
Was Austins greatest failing that he couldn't find a couple of understudy KPF's and the reason why he was shown the door?

No, because as we know, our list management is determined by committee with the coach, head of football and CEO all involved and sharing responsibility for direction and decisions.  Another couple of KPPs would be nice, but not if they're like Harry Lemmey or Josh Schache.

Someone has the final say. Committee or not, there is a boss.

Same with Voss. By your logic, since we sacked Voss, we should've sacked the rest of the committee as well!

Can't have it both ways.

FYI, the coach, the head of football and the ceo have all changed in the past 12 months. So why should Austin be spared?
 

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #88 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: DJC – on

No, because as we know, our list management is determined by committee with the coach, head of football and CEO all involved and sharing responsibility for direction and decisions.  Another couple of KPPs would be nice, but not if they're like Harry Lemmey or Josh Schache.
It's not lost on me, that only a short while ago when we had Lemmey and a couple of others, a lot of fans complained the list was top heavy. At the time fans were content with Harry and Charlie with Pitto on hand and TDK coming into contention, and most were busy screaming for more midfield depth.

Now we have a midfield bonanza, at least at the moment, TDK and Charlie have buggered off, and all of a sudden it's list mismanagement!

Some navigate list management like Captain Jack Sparrow's crazy compass, always pointing to what you desire without showing you a direction!

Who was those fans that were complaining it was top heavy?

As best as i can recall, there was only 1 person who suggested as much and it was based purely on heights rather than ability to play the positions, and that was DJC.

Don't recall anyone else saying that.

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #89 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: LP – on

It's not lost on me, that only a short while ago when we had Lemmey and a couple of others, a lot of fans complained the list was top heavy. At the time fans were content with Harry and Charlie with Pitto on hand and TDK coming into contention, and most were busy screaming for more midfield depth.

Now we have a midfield bonanza, at least at the moment, TDK and Charlie have buggered off, and all of a sudden it's list mismanagement!

Some navigate list management like Captain Jack Sparrow's crazy compass, always pointing to what you desire without showing you a direction!

Who was those fans that were complaining it was top heavy?

As best as i can recall, there was only 1 person who suggested as much and it was based purely on heights rather than ability to play the positions, and that was DJC.

Don't recall anyone else saying that.

I think your recall may be faulty, Kruddler.  I'd prefer a top heavy team over a vertically-challenged team, provided that the big lads can play footy.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball