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Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #90 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Who was those fans that were complaining it was top heavy?

As best as i can recall, there was only 1 person who suggested as much and it was based purely on heights rather than ability to play the positions, and that was DJC.

Don't recall anyone else saying that.

I think your recall may be faulty, Kruddler.  I'd prefer a top heavy team over a vertically-challenged team, provided that the big lads can play footy.

Was it not you who was saying we didn't need anymore talls because the number on our list was the same as the number on other lists??

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #91 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: DJC – on


I think your recall may be faulty, Kruddler.  I'd prefer a top heavy team over a vertically-challenged team, provided that the big lads can play footy.

Was it not you who was saying we didn't need anymore talls because the number on our list was the same as the number on other lists??


Yes, but that was before we lost four talls and got only one back. However, my position has always been that there's no point adding talls if they can't play.

I'm a firm believer in the "a good big man will always beat a good little man" adage but with "good" being the operative word.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #92 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Was it not you who was saying we didn't need anymore talls because the number on our list was the same as the number on other lists??


Yes, but that was before we lost four talls and got only one back. However, my position has always been that there's no point adding talls if they can't play.

I'm a firm believer in the "a good big man will always beat a good little man" adage but with "good" being the operative word.

Thats the point, the past....not now.

I think you've misread something somewhere.

LP was stating fans were sayong we were top heavy in the past....when we had lemmey etc.

You were the only one i ever heard suggesting anything of the sort.

In short.....LP is talking BS again.

Just like the afl screwed up by playing the game on a friday night.....just a mere 96k there for a sellout crowd.

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #93 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: DJC – on


Yes, but that was before we lost four talls and got only one back. However, my position has always been that there's no point adding talls if they can't play.

I'm a firm believer in the "a good big man will always beat a good little man" adage but with "good" being the operative word.

Thats the point, the past....not now.

I think you've misread something somewhere.

LP was stating fans were sayong we were top heavy in the past....when we had lemmey etc.

You were the only one i ever heard suggesting anything of the sort.

In short.....LP is talking BS again.

Just like the afl screwed up by playing the game on a friday night.....just a mere 96k there for a sellout crowd.

Again, I don’t believe that I ever suggested that we were top heavy.  I did point out that our ratio of talls to smalls in 2025 was similar to most other clubs.

For the record, I’m a two ruckmen kind of guy … provided that the two ruckmen can both have an impact when they’re not rucking.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #94 –
@kruddler You do realise people are free to go back and see what was written, I suspect you're betting they won't be bothered. But they will all remember the debates around KPPs and Rucks, it must be burned into their retina! :D
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #96 –
Quote from: laj – on
Fraser talking to the players post game.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1FNeFo7dfr/
It's a great insight, a simple message delivered clearly, you can't leave that meeting not understanding clearly what Fraser thinks, and why you should not be celebrating the season too much while still taking some positives from the short achievement.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #97 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


Thats the point, the past....not now.

I think you've misread something somewhere.

LP was stating fans were sayong we were top heavy in the past....when we had lemmey etc.

You were the only one i ever heard suggesting anything of the sort.

In short.....LP is talking BS again.

Just like the afl screwed up by playing the game on a friday night.....just a mere 96k there for a sellout crowd.

Again, I don’t believe that I ever suggested that we were top heavy.  I did point out that our ratio of talls to smalls in 2025 was similar to most other clubs.

For the record, I’m a two ruckmen kind of guy … provided that the two ruckmen can both have an impact when they’re not rucking.

This debate has waged in many threads but ill summarise as follows from my memory:

We havent recruited enough talls often enough was one perspective along with too many smalls.
The opposing perspective was that we have recruited plenty of each type but all of them have shortfalls at AFL level, which results in we need more of everything.

Sometimes the argument was then paraphrased into assuming that this meant we had enough, but the reality (according to me) is, that we were gambling on our good players staying fit, because they were all guns, and then trying to fill the gaps between them.   This rehash and paraphrasing is why it was a never ending debate, because as we see in this topic, the opposing viewpoint was dismissed because it was transformed into a different argument about who was more right, rather than what was more right.

Which was the most pressing need?  Turns out, that both was correct on this years evidence.  Im not sure we have missed the talls, but getting in Ainsworth, Florent, Hayward, Evans, Jagga and co was tantamount to turning things around because we got halfway through a list build, sacked the list manager, sacked the coach because we needed to win, and ended up with a mish mash of aging players that couldnt help us take the next step any longer and failed to fill the gaps.

I think thats about as close as it gets to summarising.  The irony is not lost on me, that last season, we delisted Harry Lemmy to go with the departing JSOS, TDK and Curnow situation, and still managed to cover those absences with a delisted free agent in Wade Derkson, a draftee in Harry Dean, and what was already here, and this was the doomsday scenario of losing Weitering for an elongated period of time.  Still, we do need more quality talls as on history we got a bit lucky with Mckay and Pittonet being robust, and we could use some more grunt through the running players.  With Walker coming in, and hopefully HOF returning, that means we need a more project ruck forward through the draft again and as we saw on the weekend another medium swing type because Mcgovern, Haynes and Newman arent getting any younger.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #98 –
The way I see it is this...
"What we should have done" is redundant, obsolete and a pointless debate.
Those responsible for that list building oversight have now departed.
They're gone.

It's like looking in the rear view mirror to see a car crash.
Look back and you're likely to miss the truck braking in front of you.

It's what matters in the future that is important.
We can all identify the gaps we think we need to fill.
If we can do it, so can Wright and Davies and their minions.

It then becomes a matter of what is available.
And we're in competition with 17 (soon 18) other clubs.
It's easy to say let's go to the Gold Coast and get King.
But King has to want to make that move, with consideration of other offers on his mind.
Negotiations only ever work 'one way' on a keyboard.
In real life there are a lot of other factors that play into a players decision as to where they play.