Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: DJC – on February 09, 2014, 03:56:14 pm

Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer    Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer.  If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark.  On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett.  Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks.  That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests 

Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on February 09, 2014, 05:16:05 pm

Quote from: DJC – on February 09, 2014, 03:56:14 pm

Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer    Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer.  If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark.  On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett.  Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks.  That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests 

Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.

I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.

Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number?  I don't follow that at all     Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?

I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game?  There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game 

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on February 09, 2014, 05:16:05 pm

Quote from: DJC – on February 09, 2014, 03:56:14 pm

Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer    Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer.  If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark.  On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett.  Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks.  That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests 

Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.

I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.

Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number?  I don't follow that at all     Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?

I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game?  There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game 

Quote from: DJC – on February 09, 2014, 11:44:50 pm

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on February 09, 2014, 05:16:05 pm

Quote from: DJC – on February 09, 2014, 03:56:14 pm

Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer    Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer.  If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark.  On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett.  Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks.  That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests 

Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.

I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.

Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number?  I don't follow that at all     Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?

I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game?  There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game 

Nic Nat averages more contested marks than Kreuzer, as does Cox, as does Tippett.

Last time Nic Nat turned a game North Melbourne games last year. Last time Kreuzer turned a game never.

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 10, 2014, 06:52:04 am

Quote from: DJC – on February 09, 2014, 11:44:50 pm

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on February 09, 2014, 05:16:05 pm

Quote from: DJC – on February 09, 2014, 03:56:14 pm

Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer    Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer.  If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark.  On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett.  Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks.  That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests 

Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.

I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.

Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number?  I don't follow that at all     Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?

I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game?  There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game 

Nic Nat averages more contested marks than Kreuzer, as does Cox, as does Tippett.

Last time Nic Nat turned a game North Melbourne games last year. Last time Kreuzer turned a game never.

PI2C, Kreuzer's Dream Team price is $90K more than Natanui's.  I rest my case 

Lol you guys all have short memories?

NicNat not turning a game? How about his absolute screamer and goal after the siren last year?

Kreuzer never turned a game either? How about Port Adelaide when he booted three last quarter goals to get us over the line in a come from behind win?

They're both excellent players and both play positions that typically take until your late 20's at the earliest to really dominate. Even Sandilands was rubbish for the first 5-6 years of his career.

I'm happy we have Kreuzer, but I'd take NicNat in a heartbeat.

@Nathbear

I mentioned that game in an earlier post, he didn't turn the game, he kicked two goals in a comeback win.

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on February 09, 2014, 05:16:05 pm

Quote from: DJC – on February 09, 2014, 03:56:14 pm

Natanui averages less marks per game than Kreuzer    Tippett averages one more mark per game than Kreuzer.  If they are exceptional, Kreuzer mustn't be far off the mark.  On the other hand, Cox and McEvoy average more marks per game than Tippett.  Leuenberger and Kreuzer are virtually on a par but Kreuzer takes more contested marks.  That's not bad for a bloke that doesn't make it to contests 

Marking stats are never going to tell us much. Those marks could be in the back pocket, unmanned, they could be one out against a small opponent and we don't know what happens after a mark. NicNat, for example, can get 8 touches and turn a game. And whilst it is just one Mark a game more, that represents an almost 50% higher number.

I know that stats don't tell the whole story but, clearly, the marking prowess of other teams' rucks is exaggerated.

Talking about stats, if Kreuzer averages one more mark per game than Natanui, how does that represent an almost 50% higher number?  I don't follow that at all     Perhaps it's because Kreuzer takes more contested marks?

I'd also like to know when Natanui last turned a game?  There'd be no argument from me if you'd said Dean Cox but the best NicNat does is look like he could turn a game 

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 10, 2014, 01:39:30 pm

@Nathbear

I mentioned that game in an earlier post, he didn't turn the game, he kicked two goals in a comeback win.

Hard to disagree.  Kreuzer stood up and kicked 3 goals in that final quarter, but the move that won the ball was Gibbs to Centre.  HE was the catalyst in that win.

Lol you guys all have short memories?

NicNat not turning a game? How about his absolute screamer and goal after the siren last year?

Kreuzer never turned a game either? How about Port Adelaide when he booted three last quarter goals to get us over the line in a come from behind win?

They're both excellent players and both play positions that typically take until your late 20's at the earliest to really dominate. Even Sandilands was rubbish for the first 5-6 years of his career.

I'm happy we have Kreuzer, but I'd take NicNat in a heartbeat.