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Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #45 –
Definitely isn't working... I'd drop him after tonight's effort. We'd get more out of Casboult as the 2nd ruck.

Unfortunately he isn't going to be the player we thought he would be.

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #46 –
Quote from: Bear – on
Definitely isn't working... I'd drop him after tonight's effort. We'd get more out of Casboult as the 2nd ruck.

Unfortunately he isn't going to be the player we thought he would be.

Warnock is the one who must go, opposition teams treat him with disregard around the ground. He is worse than a traffic cone because they would at least run around a traffic cone. They run through Robert Warnock and rover defeat him in marking contests.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #47 –
Give Kreuzer six games in the twos to build some confidence boyh in his body and his ability.  Then bring him back.  Let Warnock do it in the interim as we got killed when Kreuzer rucked whilst Warnock was able to break even.  The rest we hurt ourselves. 
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Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #48 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: denimundies – on
Only way Kruiz provides value, is if he ruck all day (with occasional relief from a forward) thereby allowing you to fill that second ruck spot with another player ie perhaps a runner or whatever (depending g on who your playing). But even leaving aside what we gave up to get him, if he's going to hold down a ruck spot on his own it stands to reason he's gotta first be fit to play. It's seems every year gets harder and harder for him to get out there in first place, let alone staying on field when he does. It's not working.

Agreed, he must ruck or he is of diminished value. He has to get to the majority of stoppages to be of real value, but we don't have anyone to rotate him with any more. Perhaps MMs plan is to belt someone in the leg with a sledgehammer at training so he can get Wood into selection.

At least Warnock gave us something in the ruck. We were better tonight when he was in there.

Just thought Kruezer really struggled and I'm not sure where he goes from here.

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #49 –
This is going to be a fun thread after the next game. LP, is warming up for it already  :P

Think MK was a very sore boy today BTW.

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Give Kreuzer six games in the twos to build some confidence boyh in his body and his ability.  Then bring him back.  Let Warnock do it in the interim as we got killed when Kreuzer rucked whilst Warnock was able to break even.  The rest we hurt ourselves.

Have to agree with this despite my fondness for the K-man. A couple of years ago it was the opposite, when K-man was in the ruck we would dominate the clearances and his absence was clearly noticeable. Don't like to see him become a liability.
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Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #51 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Give Kreuzer six games in the twos to build some confidence boyh in his body and his ability.  Then bring him back.  Let Warnock do it in the interim as we got killed when Kreuzer rucked whilst Warnock was able to break even.  The rest we hurt ourselves.

Now that's sound logic... Totally agree.

At the moment there is simply to much redundancy, 2 selections to make up 1 position it's madness . This where we get found out at times, we have to much redundancy in several areas. Another tonight was in the midfield with McLean,  if his touch isn't on he gets found out on the rebound. So you end up with a player that can do some grunt but gets you killed going the other way if his first touch is wanting. Ellard on the other hand was battering ram and live wire going the other way. But then who do you replace him with in the immediate term ?  Cripps ?
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Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Give Kreuzer six games in the twos to build some confidence boyh in his body and his ability.  Then bring him back.  Let Warnock do it in the interim as we got killed when Kreuzer rucked whilst Warnock was able to break even.  The rest we hurt ourselves.

Warnock doesn't break even, if you call winning the taps while the opposition get the clearance breaking even I am not sure what to think of your logic. He tapped the ball directly to opponents more than our own players. Furthermore to break even you have to be at least 50/50 around the ground as well and Warnock would be lucky to get to 10/90 outside of the centre circle.

How long do you accept a 206cm x 105kg player getting out marked or beaten in the air by small defenders or forwards? This bloke should be taking 4 ~ 6 marks a game, at the moment he would be lucky to get that many a season!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #53 –
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa, I get it. Our club has played the greatest joke on us of all time!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #54 –
Trade both for just one decent ruck man.
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Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #55 –
Warnock is outdated for the game IMO. We picked him up at a time where we really should have seen how the rucks roles in modern footy were changing. Rucks need to be more versatile and flexible around the ground than ever and Warnock can't provide that. Warnock is great in the ruck no doubt, but elsewhere he is a nightmare.

Kreuzer is a real worry, since his knee its been a slow steady decline. Really not sure about him any more.

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #56 –
to be fair.... a bit hinges on how docherty turns out.

If he is a gun... then we made a great move.

I still think Warnock is a great ruckman... but he found him self under more pressure than ever before.

he cost us the game again. but without him we may never have got that close... bit of a contradiction

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #57 –
In hindsight the fact that we picked up Wood would suggest that it would have been better to trade Warnock instead of Hammer for the simple fact that he is more mobile. Warnock will be slaughtered by Natinui!!
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Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #58 –
Kruezer will never be fit and Warnock while being a skilled tap ,ruckman cannot be played anywhere else and we cannot afford a player who is a one trick pony in the modern game.
You add his lack of marking prowess to his woeful kicking and his ruckwork is cancelled out.

Warnock won the hitouts but his opponents Hampson ,Griffiths and Vickery are a very ordinary combo.....

Wood probably isnt the answer as his ruckwork is only C grade but he does offer more around the ground......think we may have to recruit another readymade ruckman who can offer us some flexibility and marking power.

Re: Kreuzer VS Warnock VS Wood - How Will This One Play Out ??

Reply #59 –
Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on
In hindsight the fact that we picked up Wood would suggest that it would have been better to trade Warnock instead of Hammer for the simple fact that he is more mobile. Warnock will be slaughtered by Natinui!!

except by the fact that warnock owns nic nat in the ruck