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Interesting that Hammer has a higher percentage of taps to advantage (whatever that really means) than Sandilands did in what was seen as a dominant ruck display. I'd be interested in seeing that stat over the year.  Hammer isn't much chop around the ground but still light years ahead of Warnock so if he's getting more balls down our midfielder's throats (be it from less taps) then I think we can say we didn't make the right decision on who we let go but maybe no one offered anything for Warnock.

Who said make him a key forward?

Mick is making excuses now....  What excuses?  He simply stated that Kreuzer needs to add the ability to play forward.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It doesnt mean turn him into Paul Salmon.

As for what Kreuzer can and cannot do, how about we let him get injury free and play some footy and then we can talk about what he can and cannot do, because based on his last couple of years he cant even do that.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 04, 2014, 04:48:30 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 04, 2014, 01:59:25 pm

Again responding to filler articles.

Kreuzer is struggling because he did an ACL on that piece of crap of a surface in the docklands, and has never been able to recapture the form he showed prior which had him on track to becoming a proficient ruckman that could be relied upon to take the odd mark and kick the odd goal up forwad.

The shifting interchange rules, and the fact that the bloke cant run out a game like he used to means that he needs to either become multi faceted (i.e. play as a forward when not rucking) or he become a gun ruckman.  Given his body issues, a gun ruckman is not going to be his go moving forward, as a Nic Nat will simply jump over him whilst he remains a bit of a lumbering dinosaur.  If we can recall, the ACL that Kreuzer did robbed him of that athleticism and agility that made him the freak he was.

@LP

Quote from: LP – on April 04, 2014, 01:32:09 pm

Historically Kreuzer's main problems came from trying to turn him into monster forward, he got too heavy too quickly which looks to have triggered a range of leg and hip issues. He initially hurt that leg in a forward marking contest.

Hip surgery was done on Kreuzer before he played his first game with the club.  The knee injury happened in a ruck contest at Etihad vs Freo.  It would more than likely have been too much load on one so young too soon that really was the problem in what we did to him.

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Malthouse stating there is no future for Kreuzer in the ruck is absurd, I am not sure anyone actually takes him seriously. He would have been better of claiming Kreuzer's career was over crippled by injury.

Malthouse stated nothing of the sort.  He simply stated he will need to play forward.

Kruezer like Hampson struggles to take marks and kick goals when placed forward...how many times do I need to say its a specialist position and ruckman dont work as KP Forwards.
Micks losing the plot if he thinks Kruezer will ever make it as a forward.....and 200cm isnt short for a ruckman if you are any good....Ryder is 196cm and gets the job done for Essendon and is a threat when played forward.
Will Minson is 199cm and was the AA ruckman in 2013.....
Mick is making excuses and they are not very good ones....

Who said make him a key forward?

Mick is making excuses now....  What excuses?  He simply stated that Kreuzer needs to add the ability to play forward.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It doesnt mean turn him into Paul Salmon.

As for what Kreuzer can and cannot do, how about we let him get injury free and play some footy and then we can talk about what he can and cannot do, because based on his last couple of years he cant even do that.

The excuse being Kruezer cant get the ruck job done because he is only 200cm...why would  he say he is too short?....thats just rubbish .
Ability to play forward?...would I be wrong in suggesting that has been tried and failed with Kruezer like it was with Hampson.?..why conduct another time wasting/band aid experiment when the first one was a failure.

How about recruiting specialist KP forwards and letting Kruezer try and concentrate on rucking.....

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 04, 2014, 05:10:12 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 04, 2014, 04:48:30 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 04, 2014, 01:59:25 pm

Again responding to filler articles.

Kreuzer is struggling because he did an ACL on that piece of crap of a surface in the docklands, and has never been able to recapture the form he showed prior which had him on track to becoming a proficient ruckman that could be relied upon to take the odd mark and kick the odd goal up forwad.

The shifting interchange rules, and the fact that the bloke cant run out a game like he used to means that he needs to either become multi faceted (i.e. play as a forward when not rucking) or he become a gun ruckman.  Given his body issues, a gun ruckman is not going to be his go moving forward, as a Nic Nat will simply jump over him whilst he remains a bit of a lumbering dinosaur.  If we can recall, the ACL that Kreuzer did robbed him of that athleticism and agility that made him the freak he was.

@LP

Quote from: LP – on April 04, 2014, 01:32:09 pm

Historically Kreuzer's main problems came from trying to turn him into monster forward, he got too heavy too quickly which looks to have triggered a range of leg and hip issues. He initially hurt that leg in a forward marking contest.

Hip surgery was done on Kreuzer before he played his first game with the club.  The knee injury happened in a ruck contest at Etihad vs Freo.  It would more than likely have been too much load on one so young too soon that really was the problem in what we did to him.

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Malthouse stating there is no future for Kreuzer in the ruck is absurd, I am not sure anyone actually takes him seriously. He would have been better of claiming Kreuzer's career was over crippled by injury.

Malthouse stated nothing of the sort.  He simply stated he will need to play forward.

Kruezer like Hampson struggles to take marks and kick goals when placed forward...how many times do I need to say its a specialist position and ruckman dont work as KP Forwards.
Micks losing the plot if he thinks Kruezer will ever make it as a forward.....and 200cm isnt short for a ruckman if you are any good....Ryder is 196cm and gets the job done for Essendon and is a threat when played forward.
Will Minson is 199cm and was the AA ruckman in 2013.....
Mick is making excuses and they are not very good ones....

Who said make him a key forward?

Mick is making excuses now....  What excuses?  He simply stated that Kreuzer needs to add the ability to play forward.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It doesnt mean turn him into Paul Salmon.

As for what Kreuzer can and cannot do, how about we let him get injury free and play some footy and then we can talk about what he can and cannot do, because based on his last couple of years he cant even do that.

The excuse being Kruezer cant get the ruck job done because he is only 200cm...why would  he say he is too short?....thats just rubbish .
Ability to play forward?...would I be wrong in suggesting that has been tried and failed with Kruezer like it was with Hampson.?..why conduct another time wasting/band aid experiment when the first one was a failure.

How about recruiting specialist KP forwards and letting Kruezer try and concentrate on rucking.....

Maybe he said it in that way because its a much more polite way of saying what most of us think. That MK is simply not good enough to compete with topclass ruck-man. I get the feeling some would have preferred he simply came out and said "Look Timmy and Duck i think MK is a good kid, plenty of heart and competitive spirit but can't jump or run, he's body is f$&@d and his arms aren't long enough to make up for his lack of athleticism. Actually Timmy my grandma can jump higher than he can atm" would that have eased some of the objections in here regarding his explanation?

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 04, 2014, 05:10:12 pm

Who said make him a key forward?

Mick is making excuses now....  What excuses?  He simply stated that Kreuzer needs to add the ability to play forward.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It doesnt mean turn him into Paul Salmon.

As for what Kreuzer can and cannot do, how about we let him get injury free and play some footy and then we can talk about what he can and cannot do, because based on his last couple of years he cant even do that.

Mick Malthouse.

FMD, what do you think a 200cm 103kg player is going to do forward, rove? 

Quote from: denimundies – on April 04, 2014, 11:24:54 pm

Maybe he said it in that way because its a much more polite way of saying what most of us think. That MK is simply not good enough to compete with topclass ruck-man. I get the feeling some would have preferred he simply came out and said "Look Timmy and Duck i think MK is a good kid, plenty of heart and competitive spirit but can't jump or run, he's body is f$&@d and his arms aren't long enough to make up for his lack of athleticism. Actually Timmy my grandma can jump higher than he can atm" would that have eased some of the objections in here regarding his explanation?

Except even as a cripple Kreuzer makes Warnock look like a witches hat!

Interesting that Hammer has a higher percentage of taps to advantage (whatever that really means) than Sandilands did in what was seen as a dominant ruck display. I'd be interested in seeing that stat over the year.  Hammer isn't much chop around the ground but still light years ahead of Warnock so if he's getting more balls down our midfielder's throats (be it from less taps) then I think we can say we didn't make the right decision on who we let go but maybe no one offered anything for Warnock.

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 04, 2014, 05:10:12 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 04, 2014, 04:48:30 pm

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 04, 2014, 01:59:25 pm

Again responding to filler articles.

Kreuzer is struggling because he did an ACL on that piece of crap of a surface in the docklands, and has never been able to recapture the form he showed prior which had him on track to becoming a proficient ruckman that could be relied upon to take the odd mark and kick the odd goal up forwad.

The shifting interchange rules, and the fact that the bloke cant run out a game like he used to means that he needs to either become multi faceted (i.e. play as a forward when not rucking) or he become a gun ruckman.  Given his body issues, a gun ruckman is not going to be his go moving forward, as a Nic Nat will simply jump over him whilst he remains a bit of a lumbering dinosaur.  If we can recall, the ACL that Kreuzer did robbed him of that athleticism and agility that made him the freak he was.

@LP

Quote from: LP – on April 04, 2014, 01:32:09 pm

Historically Kreuzer's main problems came from trying to turn him into monster forward, he got too heavy too quickly which looks to have triggered a range of leg and hip issues. He initially hurt that leg in a forward marking contest.

Hip surgery was done on Kreuzer before he played his first game with the club.  The knee injury happened in a ruck contest at Etihad vs Freo.  It would more than likely have been too much load on one so young too soon that really was the problem in what we did to him.

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Malthouse stating there is no future for Kreuzer in the ruck is absurd, I am not sure anyone actually takes him seriously. He would have been better of claiming Kreuzer's career was over crippled by injury.

Malthouse stated nothing of the sort.  He simply stated he will need to play forward.

Kruezer like Hampson struggles to take marks and kick goals when placed forward...how many times do I need to say its a specialist position and ruckman dont work as KP Forwards.
Micks losing the plot if he thinks Kruezer will ever make it as a forward.....and 200cm isnt short for a ruckman if you are any good....Ryder is 196cm and gets the job done for Essendon and is a threat when played forward.
Will Minson is 199cm and was the AA ruckman in 2013.....
Mick is making excuses and they are not very good ones....

Who said make him a key forward?

Mick is making excuses now....  What excuses?  He simply stated that Kreuzer needs to add the ability to play forward.  Why is this so hard to understand?  It doesnt mean turn him into Paul Salmon.

As for what Kreuzer can and cannot do, how about we let him get injury free and play some footy and then we can talk about what he can and cannot do, because based on his last couple of years he cant even do that.

The excuse being Kruezer cant get the ruck job done because he is only 200cm...why would  he say he is too short?....thats just rubbish .
Ability to play forward?...would I be wrong in suggesting that has been tried and failed with Kruezer like it was with Hampson.?..why conduct another time wasting/band aid experiment when the first one was a failure.

How about recruiting specialist KP forwards and letting Kruezer try and concentrate on rucking.....

Quote from: LP – on April 04, 2014, 11:34:10 pm

Quote from: denimundies – on April 04, 2014, 11:24:54 pm

Maybe he said it in that way because its a much more polite way of saying what most of us think. That MK is simply not good enough to compete with topclass ruck-man. I get the feeling some would have preferred he simply came out and said "Look Timmy and Duck i think MK is a good kid, plenty of heart and competitive spirit but can't jump or run, he's body is f$&@d and his arms aren't long enough to make up for his lack of athleticism. Actually Timmy my grandma can jump higher than he can atm" would that have eased some of the objections in here regarding his explanation?

Except even as a cripple Kreuzer makes Warnock look like a witches hat!

Thats highly subjective.

The facts would probably indicate otherwise. Go back and watch replays of our 2013 season. Starting with 206's first game of the year, he was a key contributor to sone of out most important wins.